Ali had a better chin than Holmes

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  1. boxkickboxmma

    boxkickboxmma New Member Full Member

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    With video
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqF0un1BnO0[/ame]

    So what do you think?
     
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  2. tommygun711

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  3. fg2227

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    Also shavers was younger in the Ali fight i believe.
     
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  4. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree but that video does not prove anything.
     
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  5. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Uh yeah it does. Ali took a flush right hand and managed to stay on his feet. Holmes went down.
     
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  6. StWerburghs

    StWerburghs Active Member Full Member

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    Agreed, I would say Ali had the better chin. But in the video he doesnt connect as cleanly with Ali...Ali is slightly moving bacwards with the punch, and Holmes is slightly walking onto the punch.
     
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  7. wordisbond

    wordisbond Active Member Full Member

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    I believe Ali had one of the greatest chins of all time. Faced some of the biggest punchers the hw division has ever seen and never was knocked out. Allowed him to absorb a tremendous amount of punishment which I don't believe served him well today (in terms of health not legacy).
     
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  8. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No question Ali had a better chin
     
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  9. boxkickboxmma

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    Finally some people with sense.
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep Ali's chin was quite frankly incredible. The amount of punishment he could take and even when hurt his ability to stay composed and recover was amazing.
     
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  11. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No it doesnt. Holmes took the same type of right hand from Shavers in their 2 fights too, but the one that decked Holmes was what Earnie himself called the hardest right hand he ever landed. Ali was backing away and saw the punch comming, Holmes was moving into the punch that decked him and he never saw it. Big difference.
     
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  12. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A: The video proves absolutely nothing, as each instance is inherently different. Despite "video evidence," Ali did not take the same punch as Holmes. The positioning, context, delivery, the certain sway of the bodies in motion.....it's all slightly different. Things like this are ridiculous to argue over. People that would argue whose chin is better in this way assume the world exists in a vacuum, and that both Ali and Holmes stood perfectly stationary while Shavers landed the same exact shot on the same exact point of the chin with exactly the same leverage.


    B: just go re-read reason A again, goddammit.
     
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  13. boxkickboxmma

    boxkickboxmma New Member Full Member

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    It's roughly the same. What it comes down to is Shavers landed a flush right hand right on the jaw on both fighters, and Ali never went down against him while Holmes, in his own words, only reason he got up was 'because he saw a light from heaven when he was down that made him get up'.

    Bitter Holmes fan much?
     
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  14. boxkickboxmma

    boxkickboxmma New Member Full Member

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    In fact the diffirence is so big that the one Ali got hit with was even weaker than an arm punch from Chris Byrd.

    Bitter Holmes fan?
     
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  15. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, I'm no more a Holmes fan than an Ali fan. It's just a ridiculous, pointless thing to argue.
     
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