Manny Wont Be A Legitimate 8 Weight Champ If He Wins....

Wait if this is a title fight does that mean margarito is a champion? How does he go from the ultimate form of cheating to fighting for a title? So fast?!?!

 

its for a vacant.sulaiman used the he is mexican plus we can make a lot of money wbc rule to make this a title fight

 

Does anyone care?

The fight is only for a paper title, but its still a good fight.

 

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Henry Armstrong TKO end of 6 Lew Jenkins -- Polo Grounds, N.Y., July 17, 1940


Welterweight champion Henry Armstrong was obliged to weigh in seven pounds under the division limit for his scheduled 12-rounder with lightweight champion Lew Jenkins. This was no problem for Armstrong, a featherweight champion who was small for a welterweight. Armstrong came in at 139 pounds, while Jenkins was just a half-pound over the lightweight limit of 135.


The fight held intrigue because Jenkins, from Sweetwater, Texas, was known to be a terrific hitter. New York Times columnist John Kieran was one of many who felt that Jenkins's big punch gave him a chance. "If he can land that punch on a dodging target like Armstrong he may do well for himself," Kieran opined in a prefight story.


Jenkins did indeed do damage. Joseph P. Dawson reported in The New York Times that Armstrong's left eye was swollen almost shut while his right eye "dripped a blinding flow of blood" after a desperation left hook opened an old cut. Armstrong was winning the fight, though. He took command from the fourth round and Jenkins was down seven times, unable to hold the stronger, superior fighter in Armstrong. Referee Arthur Donovan stopped the fight at the end of the sixth as Jenkins "writhed and groaned on his stool" in the words of reporter Dawson.

 

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By Graham Houston


Sometimes,

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and other times -- as was the case with Mayorga, right, and Vargas -- they're

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.Saturday's Kelly Pavlik-Jermain Taylor rematch at 166 pounds is part of a recent revival of bouts made at catchweight -- traditionally when boxers in different weight divisions meet in the middle.

In the days when there were just eight weight divisions, catchweight bouts were commonplace.

Each boxer in such a fight was seen as taking a risk.

The smaller fighter would hope that his opponent might weaken himself making the agreed weight. For the bigger man, the gamble would be whether he could get down to the lighter weight and remain strong.

Here is a look, in chronological order, at 12 catchweight contests.

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-- San Francisco, Sept. 30, 1904

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-- Emeryville, Calif., July 4, 1925

Belfast-born, Canadian-raised Jimmy McLarnin was an up-and-coming featherweight prospect when he faced flyweight champion Pancho Villa in a catchweight bout. Filipino Villa had the experience, but the 18-year-old McLarnin had youth and physical advantages in his favor. McLarnin weighed 122 pounds to Villa's 114 according to the Vancouver Sun (although the online source BoxRec.com lists each man as one pound lighter).

Boxing enthusiasts thought that Villa would win "not so much because of his punching ability or ruggedness but because of his experience," the Sun reported. But McLarnin clearly outscored Villa, with the Sun reporting: "The dark-haired, short-armed fighting demon from the Philippines, the boss of the flyweights, could not penetrate the McLarnin defense. Jimmy smiled through the 10 rounds, fought carefully and didn't let the champion gain an advantage."


Tragically, Villa died in hospital in San Francisco eight days later.

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He refused to pull out of the fight, not wishing the promoter to suffer financial hardship. The Sun reported that Villa apparently went into the ring with the "jaw nerves deadened by a drug to kill the pain." After the fight, the infection spread. Doctors performed immediate jaw surgery after Villa had been rushed to hospital but he "failed to rally from the effects of the operation."

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Polo Grounds, N.Y., July 17, 1940

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-- London, Dec. 1, 1964

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-- Las Vegas, Nov. 7, 1988

There wasn't a big enough size advantage to compensate the gulf in talent between Lalonde, left, and Leonard.Sugar Ray Leonard won two titles in one night when he stopped Donny Lalonde -- capturing the Canadian's WBC light heavyweight title while also winning the inaugural WBC super middleweight belt.

Due to the super middle title being at stake, Lalonde was required to weigh no more than 168 pounds. He talked a great fight, referring to the 32-year-old Leonard as an "old, fat welterweight." While Lalonde fought well early, even scoring a knockdown, Sugar Ray proved to be a different class in terms of talent.

When the boxers weighed in on the morning of the fight, Leonard's weight was announced as 165 pounds, two pounds lighter than Lalonde. He said in the postfight press conference, however, that his true weight was 159-and-a-half pounds. Leonard, who had weighed in wearing a track suit, said he had secretly placed weights in each pocket.

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Las Vegas, May 9, 1992

Welterweight champion Meldrick Taylor faced a daunting task against Terry Norris, the champion at junior middleweight, but his camp negotiated a weight limit of 150-and-a-half pounds. This was three-and-a-half pounds inside the weight limit for Norris' division. The hope was that this would level the playing field.
Fighting at a catchweight of 150-and-a-half pounds wasn't enough to tip the scales in favor of Taylor, left.The clash of champions was keenly anticipated, with columnist Royce Feour writing in the Las Vegas Review-Journal: "The Norris-Taylor bout is one of the most ideal matchups that can be made in boxing today."

Once the fight started, though, the physical advantages of Norris, who weighed 149 pounds, quickly became apparent. Taylor won the first round on two judges' cards but was then overpowered. As I reported from ringside for Boxing Monthly: "Taylor has fast hands, but he seemed physically and psychologically shaken by the rapidity of Norris's punching -- and Norris was hitting far harder."

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-- Las Vegas, Oct. 7, 2000

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-- Las Vegas, Sept. 18, 2004

Middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins was so eager to make the biggest purse of his career against Oscar De La Hoya that he was willing to give a little in negotiations. Most significant, was his agreeing to the Golden Boy's stipulation that the match be made at a catchweight of 158 pounds, two pounds inside the middleweight limit. In the event, Hopkins came in at the surpassingly light weight of 156 pounds.

If De La Hoya hoped that reducing weight would affect Hopkins's stamina, he got it wrong. As I reported from ringside for Boxing Monthly: "As he gained momentum, Hopkins actually appeared faster than De La Hoya, and coming out for the ninth, the Executioner from Philadelphia looked as if he could keep going strong for many more rounds than the mere four that remained."

Hopkins was to box in another catchweights bout when, as light heavyweight champion, he agreed to meet leading middleweight Winky Wright at a weight of 170 pounds on July 7, 2007, at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. Hopkins carried the weight far better than a soft-looking Wright and dominated the last four rounds to win a unanimous decision.

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-- Las Vegas, Oct. 8, 2005

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-- Munich, March 31, 2007

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-- Los Angeles, Nov. 23, 2007

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-- New York City, Jan. 19, 2008

Although Roy Jones Jr. had been boxing as a light heavyweight, he agreed to meet middleweight Felix Trinidad at the middle-of-the-road weight of 170 pounds. Jones, weighing his lightest in six years, looked like the much bigger, stronger man as he dominated the last eight rounds, scoring two knockdowns on his way to a unanimous decision.

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was not a catchweight, it was outright a sham, a joke. Asking a 135 pounder to fight at welterweight is indefensible except to the *****s who could justify it as tune-up.

On the side note, Pancho Villa fought a bigger opponent while his jaw was infected!!!! That was balls. He did not have the urge to go on vacation.

 

CATCHWEIGHTS ARE BULL****:hi:

 

No, fighting a 135er at welterweight and failing to even make the agreed weight is bullshitter!:hi::hi::hi:

Losing your URGE and VACATION is bullshittest.:hi:

Pancho Villa is the bull, while you and your lover, Gayweather are the SHITS!

 

Pacquiao does not need another belt. What matters is he is not afraid to fight anyone, not even bigger than him. Unlike Floyd who avoids Williams like plague.

 

:good

 

This is for a belt? How? Manny and Margarito do not deserve a 154 pound belt. This is the same thing as when Ray Leonard fought Lalonde (who was not even the best 175 pounder at the time-Virgil Hill was) and had Lalonde weigh in at 168 not his division, and then fight for the 175 and 168 pounds title. It was unfair and people still gave Ray credit for it. I hope this fight with Margarito is not for a belt..

 

If they allow this to be for a junior middleweight title than it is an insult on boxing. I like both guys but this is not fair to the division.

 

So you are saying that this fight for a Light Middleweight title which is in a division that is anywhere between 148-154 doesn't count because they are fighting at 150, which is between 148-154, right?

 

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