Do you agree with Froch?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by m8te, Oct 28, 2010.


  1. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    Back to what we were saying about the best fighting the best in this tournament, it pits the best with the best consistently. That’s something Calzaghe never did. You could probably count on one hand, out of Calzaghe’s 44-45 fight career, tough opponents and legitimate threat opponents that he’s had and that’s over a 44-45 fight career. You can count them on one hand. In my last five fights, I beat Jean Pascal who’s a great fighter. He beat the ‘Bad’ Chad Dawson, so he’s dominating light heavyweight at the minute. So I boxed Pascal, and then I boxed Jermain Taylor, and then I boxed Dirrell, then I boxed Kessler, and now I’ve got Abraham. So this is five fights, top level fights consecutively one after the other and I’ve only had 27 fights in my career. Now that’s the sort of thing that you have to do to secure your legacy and become a legend to remain remembered when you retire. I’m not taking any credit away from Joe Calzaghe or giving him any unnecessary stick, but he’s not going to be remembered as being all-time great and that’s because he didn’t fight the best fighters, and the top fighters that he did fight they were well past their best and weren’t at their peak. Myself, I got a loss on my record but I can assure you when I retire from boxing people are going to say, ‘That Carl Froch, he fought everybody. He never swerved or ducked anybody and he was a top, top level fighter and someone to be remembered’ and that’s what this tournament is doing for all the fighters. It’s securing my legacy as an all-time great which potentially wouldn’t have happened without the tournament, so that’s why I think it’s such a great thing for boxing.”- Carl Froch


    I agree wholeheartedly, about calzaghe and about calzaghe's legacy compared to froch's when it's all said and done.
     
  2. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree wholeheartedly with Carl.

    Calzaghe was a great talent and had the potential to realize a crazy legacy, but his lack of heart for adventure will always be looked harshly upon once the time comes that we'll be really discussing his legacy in the coming years.

    Lennox Lewis conquered the world, whereas Calzaghe failed to do so even though he had the chance to.
     
  3. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    His wins over Pascal and Dirrel are impressive and could match up to Calzaghe's best two wins in Kessler and Hopkins
     
  4. Firestarter

    Firestarter Active Member Full Member

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    Still Froch lost in a close fight to Kessler, where calzaghe cominated Kessler
     
  5. vonBanditos

    vonBanditos Mσderator Full Member

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    Absolutely. Calzaghe is a better fighter, but Froch has bigger balls. Calzaghe did try to redeem his career in the end by taking big fights.
     
  6. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch flew to Denmark and fought a twelve round war in a fight where he arguably won, whereas Kessler flew to Wales and lost a competetive, but clear decision.

    You can't disagree with the fact that Froch is doing far better when it comes to providing good competetive fights. He aint got no Peter Manfredos meshed up with top elite fighters. Look at his last five fights, :smoke
     
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes I do agree with Froch. He went after the champion to win his belt and is looking to make a legacy from there and he's fighting top opponents. Calzaghe had 15 title defenses against tomato cans in his backyard claiming there's no point in unification.
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Whats impressive about a gift where he looked like a bum who couldnt hit **** the entire night?
     
  9. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really, Dirrell? What has he ever done but beat AA - he has never even been a world champion before.
     
  10. Drinker

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    There is smoke and mirrors going here:

    Froch has a nice list of names racked up but this was created by the super six tournament - Calzaghe never had this promotional opportunity. Froch is under contract to take these fights.

    Besides it not all that impressive when you scracth the surfice:

    Pascal was unknown - Froch didnt fight the best.
    Taylor was a big name mandatory who has lost 4 of his last 5 fights - 3 by KO/TKO.
    Dirrell is a great talent who had fought 17/18 fights with only 2 decent names on his record. He had never gone beyond 10 rounds or fought in champions backyard.
    Kessler - Froch lost.

    Froch is boasting that he beat Dirrell but many UK pundits thought he lost. I consider Calzaghe's victories over Roy Jones and Omar Sheika level with Froch beating Dirrell.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont agree at all.
    Calzaghe has a fantastic resume with many top SMW names on it, and has a far stronger SMW resume than Froch, though admit Calzaghe has had a longer career to do that. The best name on Frochs resume is Kessler who he lost to and Calzaghe beat. The only big names on Frochs resume are Kessler, Taylor and Pascal, and when Froch beat Pascal, Pascal hadnt done anything of note.
    Calzaghes SMW resume is very strong, but one thing I would say about Froch is that he made a very strong first defence of his title away to Taylor and another away to Kessler early in his title reign
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fantastic quote and exactly that. Dirrell hadnt beaten anyone of note, and his big win is against a former MW champ by DQ who hadnt beaten anyone of note. Mario Veit that Calzaghe is a bigger win with a better resume than Dirrell
     
  13. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    If he couldn't hit ****, then how did he win? Honestly.

    Don't give me this bull**** about how he didn't land a punch all night, and how Dirrell was 'robbed'. What were the judges scoring? Air punches? What about the several media outlets which scored the fight for Froch? Ring Magazine? If Dirrell was so good, and Froch was such a bum, then how did Froch manage to win?
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ignorance :patsch. Who are these 15 tomatoe cans? I bet you cant come up with a sensible answer.
    What champ do you think Froch won his belt from?
     
  15. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd venture to say that Froch's loss is more impressive than a rematch victory over Veit.