1 thing that's being overlooked... 150lbs is a GREAT weight for Margarito!!

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  1. Raskolnikov

    Raskolnikov Guest

    Everyone seems to have an opinion on catchweights now that Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito are involved in one, but one crucial thing seems to be being totally overlooked on this forum...

    ...150lbs is actually the perfect weight for Antonio Margarito!!

    Many people on here seem to be suggesting that Roach and Pacquiao are trying to "weaken" Margarito by having him weigh in at 150lbs, but I very much doubt that they are as stupid as that, because having Margo weigh in at that much will not even come close to achieving such a thing.

    I believe it's more an attempt to try and limit Margarito's rehydration weight a bit, to ensure the gap in weight between them on fightnight (which will be HUGE no matter what) is as little as possible. Margarito will not be remotely "weakened".

    Regarding how Margarito will be as a 150lbs fighter, as I said I think it's a brilliant weight for him. I bet Tony was rubbing his hands at that 'stipulation'.

    Other than the outclassing by Shane Mosley, I never saw Margarito outmuscled at welterweight, not even when he faced big, strong fighters like Paul Williams, Kermit Cintron and Joshua Clottey. Yet look at this clip from his light-middleweight rematch with Daniel Santos, which he lost:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOQoUbA4T4&feature=related[/ame]

    Now Daniel Santos does not possess anything like the power or explosiveness of Shane Mosley, yet to me he looks like the stronger man, the man with the naturally bigger frame, and he was getting the better of Margarito in a brawl. No-one has ever done that to Margo at welter, even when he has lost (eg Williams) it is because he has started slowly then been beaten for speed, rather than outfought and beaten down.

    Margarito as a welterweight is undoubtedly a better fighter than Daniel Santos is at light-middleweight; their careers and achievements would support this. It is the weight that made the difference IMO.

    Before Margarito ran into a superior fighter in Shane Mosley, he had stopped Cotto, Cintron and Johnson in his last three fights. In welterweight world title fights, Margarito has a superb stoppage ratio of 8 KO/TKOs from 10 wins (he also stopped a certain Sergio Martinez at welterweight).

    In his 2 light-middleweight title fights, Margarito is 1-1, with no KO/TKO win. He did not manage to stop Roberto Garcia in his most recent fight, whereas the last time he failed to get the stoppage in a welterweight win was in December 2006 (vs the iron-chinned Clottey).

    It's not as if Margarito has been at 154 for many years, and is being asked to come in below his standard fighting weight. Before the Garcia fight, the last time Margo fought at 154 was over six years ago, when he was outmanned by Santos.


    Put simply, I believe Margarito is one of those fighters whose ideal fighting weight seems to fall between two of the standard weight classes. He seems very, very big at welterweight, yet against a bona fide lightmiddle like Santos, he seems like the lower-weight fighter in the ring. Many fighters at times in their careers fall into this category: for instance, Zab Judah never seemed quite big enough for welterweight, yet he's a beast at light-welter. Right now Juan Manuel Marquez seems a bit on the small side for a lightweight, yet it would perhaps take something out of him to be a superfeatherweight again at his age. Jose Luis Castillo always seemed big for a lightweight, yet small as a lightwelterweight. You can think of countless examples.


    Margarito has had much more success and looked much more effective at 147 than he has at 154, so I think at his age (32) he will find 150lbs the perfect fighting weight.

    :bbb
     
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  2. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    "the problem is that its for a title" -some whining *****.

    Good post by the way.
     
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  3. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    there is really no issue on the 150lb catchweight other than from some haters. the only issue is with the 154 title being on the line, which no one should really care about as its just a paper title.
     
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  4. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    weight and size wont matter

    look at the skill gap between the two

    the speed gap between the two

    the athletic ability gap between the two

    look the only reason Margo is considered to have a chance is because his size. For some reason size can make up for the gaps in the other categories listed up top but i dont see it, we are talkin about a SEASONED fighter here with exceptional skill, speed, power, and athletic ability with a GREAT trainer.

    The weight and size wont mean anything in this fight because Pac wont fight in away that makes it relevant...ontop of that Marg's punches are slow and wide when he loads up...no way Pac will be there. When Pac strikes Marg will cover up like the rest thinking he will tire but we all know that wont happen either.

    The mismatch is in Pac's favor...now dont take this as me sayin he cherry picked no...because we all ahve different views the sweet thing is...at least Pac and Marg will give us an outright answer cant say the same for some no matter the reasons they gave. So you gotta still respect the fight and i do except the belt thing...they coulda did without that
     
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  5. VecArrow

    VecArrow Custom User Title Full Member

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    if 150 is great for margarito he would of come at 150 on his own.
    Catchweight title fights are for bitches.
     
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  6. The Bang Benang

    The Bang Benang Active Member Full Member

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    People are making too much fuss over it being at 151lb and so on like u say, and you know what i wouldnt even mind a catchweight fight like this being for a title, BUT THE FACT IS that both fighters have done NOTHING to earn a shot at a LMW belt in the first place! Pacquaios barely a welter never mind a Junior middle, and Margarito just got knocked out and come off a so-so points win in the new weight, its not about the WEIGHT. Its the fact that the TITLE is being fought for between 2 guys who have no history at the weight in the first place!
     
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  7. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Doesn't matter anyway... according to Roger Mayweather, Margo is going to take a dive. And we all know those Mayweathers always tell the truth! :bart
     
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  8. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    one will most likely vacate it anyway
     
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  9. Mrtibbs

    Mrtibbs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its the fact that its for a title for a certain weight cetergory IMO.

    I dont think the weight dropping will effect marg. I think its more a case of the more weight pacs puts on the more he will be slow down and loose stamina. So they are just trying to limit this pacs weight more than drain marg.

    But when will these stupid catch weights go away. Just fight in the weight catergory that you are fighting in!
     
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  10. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    If Margarito will be well over 154 on fight night....why are people still bitching?
     
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  11. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    shouldn't be for the title if its at 150
     
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  12. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    actually a good point
     
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  13. oli

    oli Boxing Junkie banned

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    i thought it was 151?

    And anyway...WHY would Margarito normally a welterweight be weight drained at 151?

    Its a stupid fight however for 3 reasons

    1) its margarito
    2)its for the title
    3) Pac could have fought at least 2 other guys who whooped Marg
     
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  14. gyll

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    If 2 to 4 pounds doesn't make a difference then why even have a catchweight fight? Granted it isn't illegal but I feel like I'm dealing with a businessman who is trying to nickel and dime me. If Pac is too apprehensive about 154 then why not fight Berto or Paul Williams at 147?? Don't have to worry about the money. Pac draws a huge crowd no matter who he fights. Worry about the spirit of true competition. It seems to be dying.

    I happen to think they took two pounds of punch resistance away from Cotto and got him to focus too much on cutting weight rather than actual training itself. Just cut the bs out and fight people at their conventional weight class. I'll give them credit for fighting Hatton at his best weight though. That was an amazing performance by Pac and I respect that. See? Just play by the rules and you'll get your cookie from me. Not that hard.
     
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  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Like Roach said, they could have fought Margarito at 147lbs. So because 147lb is an "official" weight and 151lb isnt, you think Margo will be drained at 150 but not at 147? :lol:

    The one and only reason they are taking this fight at 150, is because Pac wants a title at JMW. So they are giving Margo the advantage for the sake of a belt.
     
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