Are Catholic boxers born in Belfast considered Irish/Northern Irish

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by lukevader, Oct 28, 2010.


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  1. lukevader

    lukevader Guest

    Straight question

    no sectarianism please. its hard to work out what to call a boxer that fights for ireland at the olympics but is born in northern ireland.

    is northern ireland as a political entity considered purely prodestant (ie the idea that if you are in any part of ireland it is irish as a nationality) or can a catholic boxer born in northern ireland be considered northern irish.
     
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  2. Right Hook

    Right Hook Guest


    Most of the Catholics in N Ireland are genetically Irish (their families and ancestors have been living in Ireland since long before England was a country...probably as long as 8000 years ago). N Ireland was planted with lowland Scottish and english settlers around 1607 and N Ireland only came into existence as a political entity in 1921.

    People from N Ireland are entitled to dual nationality and can choose to have Irish or UK passports or both. Most Catholics in N Ireland consider themselves to be Irish...and will fight for Ireland if possible...while many Protestants consider themselves to be british.

    So I would consider any fighter from N Ireland that fights for Ireland Irish.
     
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  3. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    People from Northern Ireland are Irish if they wish to be considered Irish. Just because your Catholic doesnt necessarily mean your Irish, though you'd be hard pressed to find a Catholic who didnt consider themselves Irish.
     
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  4. Tommy O C

    Tommy O C VIVA LA MEXICO!!!! Full Member

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    Northern Irish fighters, regardless of religion fight for Ireland bar the commonwealth games. They are part of the Irish team same as in rugby. Its ruled by one body for the island. Some of our best fighters are protestant but im sure they dont mind fighting for Ireland.
     
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  5. lukevader

    lukevader Guest

    i apreciate that. please forgive the short hand in what is obviously an issue that has a degree of semantic importance.
     
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  6. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    No worries mate, it can get confusing. Paul McCloskey for example is Irish yet was British Champion, same with Martin Lindsay.
     
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  7. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you're talking about personal perception it depends entirely on the individual. I have Catholics and Protestants in my family and mostly they call themselves Irish, even those who lean towards the loyalist view (moderately I should point out, there's no nutters nailing people up on fences). If you're a Northern Irish protestant then you're almost certainly an Ulster Scot and Scot's and Irish are the same race anyway.
    I call myself Irish and I was born in England. I don't understand the notion of what you are being dictated by where you're born. If I'd been born somewhere in Africa I wouldn't be an African I'd be a white European who was born in Africa.
     
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  8. nulty

    nulty Guest

    Whatever a man decides to be, he is (in that situation.)
     
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  9. lukevader

    lukevader Guest

    appreciated. i dont think ethnicity and nationality are the same thing tho.
     
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  10. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    irish boxing - 32 counties

    same as rugby
     
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  11. Max Banjo

    Max Banjo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dave Boy Is a Catholic Unionist!
     
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  12. moorser

    moorser Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    people on this site get very heated about this especially when us irish lads are rootin for macklin gavin fury etc...
    i dont think its black and white its a matter for each individual to decide
    my own father is born and bred peckham man but always considered himself irish when he was a kid in london as his parents are irish
     
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  13. loughlan

    loughlan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If this question relates to your world champions thread I think it's safe to list all boxers from the 6 counties as Northern Irish regardless of whether they are Catholic, Protestant or whatever else.
     
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  14. lukevader

    lukevader Guest

    cheers bud. you been a lot of help. thank you.
     
    lukevader, Oct 28, 2010
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  15. loughlan

    loughlan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no problem :good
     
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