Who has the better resume right now, Hatton or Haye?

Haye has to beat Wlad twice...... beating Vitlay is just the same as Hatton beating Tackie or Phillips.... decent enough but nothing to go mental over.

 

I see what you're saying, but it must be pointed out that fighting really good fighters is not an all-win situation in terms of a fighter's legacy. Does Hatton not lose points for having made such a poor showing when he made the step up? More so against Pac than against Mayweather admitedly. Thats why I mentioned the likes of Castillo, Larios and Judah (throw in Victoriano Sosa for Mayweather as well). They put on better showings than Hatton in their cracks at the two elites. Not to forget Marquez, who took Pac to two razor thin decisions, and Morales who actually beat Pac.

As for Haye, he may have slowed down a bit on the comp recently, but that shouldn't blind people to the whirwind that he blew through the CW ranks. Beating Jean Marc Mormeck, not a great fighter but a very good one, on away turf is a big win. He may not have fought as often as Hatton, but his competition for the amount of fights he's had is superior. He still has time to put things right, despite his recent lethargy.

As I said Hatton is ahead of Haye, but I just wouldn't include the Pac and Mayweather fights as some kind of badge of honour that gives Hatton additional brownie points.

 

I agree, I don't put any stock in Hatton getting beat by Pac and Mayweather but at the same time I don't think those loses affect how his 140 title reign should be judged. He beat decent fighters and got banjoed by ATGs.

 

now it's all said and done, hattons resume wasn't that great. he beat tyszu, that was his defining moment, but apart from that, if you took that away, then you don't have much. hatton's second best win was against castillo, so that says it all really. hatton fought the best, and he got destroyed by the best. if haye manages to beat a klitschko, then personally i would rank him as high as hatton, if he manages to beat both of the klits, then he ranks higher than hatton.

 

Thats a ****ing big "If".....;O)

 

I think it counts in terms of immediate perception.

Surely such a definitive loss against Pac, the one at 140, takes a bit of a gloss off things. Didn't The Ring magazine drop Hatton from their P-4-P ratings after that showing? I didn't agree with that personally, but thought he should have dropped a couple of places. Negative performances/results obviously will have a negative affect on overall legacy.

If Hatton had have taken the easy route and avoided the two big boys, then obviously it leaves things open to debate - how would he have gone against Pac? Would he have given a good account of himself?. But he didn't, and he got beaten badly, and against Pac at the LWW limit that leads to a lowering (ever so slightly) of his status. No?

 

Appreciate completely what you're saying, and Hatton's showing against Pac clearly damaged his reputation - can't stand that ****ing term legacy - massively. I just give him credit for taking the challenge, even if he possibly under-estimated the scale of it at the time, in the light of subsequent performances (Clottey, Cotto, and almost certainly Margarito) ... I certainly don't down-play Haye's achievements at CW, either - the Mormeck victory, as you rightly note, on foreign soil is a massive achievement, especially coming off the canvas. But so far as signature victories, Haye is still clearly lacking anyone of Tzsyu's stature, devalued even as the MEN version has apparently become. Hatton gave a decent account of himself in the first 6 rounds of the Mayweather fight - I was sat next to a pair of very committed Money supporters throughout, and they certainly weren't happy until beyond the mid-way point - but he obviously found his limit in emphatic fashion. That takes a mental toll on anyone used to being called World Champ, and I think Haye knows he risks having that bubble burst if he goes in against either of the brothers. Point remains, Hatton did take that step - with financially fantastic, but psychologically disasterous consequences. Haye strikes me as a guy who wants to come out of this well paid, and with his peace of mind intact.

 

a very big if, and personally i'm not confident in haye beating them like i was a year ago. david haye to me isn't acting like a confident person when regarding the klits. it seems the klits want the fight, and haye has back tracked alot. this audley fight is a sham, it's a disgrace if i'm being honest, and haye will completely destroy him.

 

I think the way Pacs career is going that Hatton is going to get (almost!!) a "freebie" for that loss. He has a good set of wins at 140, if some of the UK guys of the 70s and 80s had of put those wins together I guarantee they'd get an easier time of it on here than Hatton does.


(Hatton got dropped from the P4P rankings after stepping up in weight and losing to the then P4P number 1, Mayweather. Hatton was ranked too highly in the first place but to drop someone under those circumstances is ridiculous.)

 

I know you're a notorious Vitali hater but come on. That ain't sensible.

 

Do you really think that was Hatton's second best win? Perhaps in the execution - in terms of the shot that put him away - but surely not in terms of the fighter Castillo obviously was at that point.

 

who's hatton's second best win then? like i said, it says it all really, because it is hatton's second best win, and like you said castillo wasn't that good at that time. hatton's legacy is not that great like alot of people would like to believe. hatton was too popular for his own good, and it got in the way of judging hatton for the fight he was and the legacy he's got.

 

I used "legacy" because it has more longevity than the term "reputation", which brings with it more immediancy.

But I think we're generally singing from the same hymn sheet on this one now tbh, so no real need for more debate.

 

Beeston you on a wind up mate? :rofl

 

Yes Gaz, but you have to admit that the manner of Hatton's loss, a fight in which you backed Ricky in an avatar bet against me, takes away something of his rep in regard to boxing legacy. Not a massive impact, but its not as things remain the exactly same - they very rarely do.

I'm not saying Haye is anywhere near Hatton, I've already said that, but you can't deny the fact that the losses to Pac and Floyd are downpoints rather than highpoints in this comparison..