How much would loaded hand wraps help you anyway?

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  1. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just want to be enlightened man, this second statement, how do you fit it in with the formula f=ma? does it add acceleration or mass?
     
  2. dodong

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    it numbs the pain receptors in his hands, therefore he can throw it as hard as he can without feeling the pain. :good
     
  3. Farmboxer

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    Depends on the mass.
     
  4. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    The weight of the body adds to mass in a fractional sense. You'll never get 100% of your body weight into a punch. It varies based on your forward motion, your extension and your posture.

    Lets say you threw a right cross and extended the punch perfectly as you stepped into it. In this scenario you are going to get a good amount of body weight behind the weight of your fists. First, the additive weight of stepping into the punch, then the additive weight of the upper body twisting into the punch and finally the weight of the forearm behind the fist.

    In short, a very hard punch.

    Now lets say you threw a jab without stepping into it. There was no upper body leverage, no forearm leverage, no leg leverage. Basically it was just the weight of your fist with whatever speed you put behind it.

    It isn't hard to figure out which is going to hit harder here.
     
  5. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Believe me, I know what you're saying but then again, mass or acceleration?

    Another question, suppose a fighter can punch with a force of 1 000 N using ordinary gloves but increases the force with equal parameters to 1 500 N using some illegal loads, was it due to mass, pressure, friction or acceleration?

    Again, I just want to be enlightened.
     
  6. Jetmax

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    That's impulse and momentum. Ft=mv. Which means the added mass is offset by less speed which I think it isn't heavy anyway. With that the purpose for the padding was to distribute forces evenly on his hands making it possible to punch harder than he normally can.

    On second thought if he's not hurting at all previously on his hands then it's useless. Floyd otoh would benefit from it.

    My take on it is that it was a form of cheating that has been blown out of proportion. And why the hell are those close-up pics in black and white?
     
  7. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Your answer is in your own question.

    Considering everything but the loaded gloves are equal the increase in force can only be explained by the loaded gloves.

    This can be accomplished simply by throwing a punch properly. If you are hitting with two knuckles instead of 4 you aren't punching proper.

    They would have no use out of something that was useless. Whatever it's worth, the seasoned trainer wouldn't use old pads if they were useless.

    Yes, certainly blown out of proportion. I would say it's on par with the steroids that other fighters have been found out on. A marginal increase to his punching power. Then again, as stated by others, I have no idea how much those pads weighed. If more than 2 ounces it was a significant boost in force.

    As for the grainy stills I do not know. Maybe we are due for another epic ESB battle.
     
  8. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was thinking about impulse and how it affects time contact when someone is using a loaded gloves
    F=mv/t. What do you think?
     
  9. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    loaded gloves is the obvious answer but what aspect of force does it enhance?
     
  10. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Mass.
     
  11. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Be careful my friend.

    If you increase the mass of the glove from 10oz to 16 oz, does it mean more force?
     
  12. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Nothing to be careful about. This is no more complicated than it's already been made out to be.

    If acceleration remains constant yes.
     
  13. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes it is a complicated topic and if one wants to be correct, then he has to be careful


    So a fighter would agree to use bigger gloves cause it will increase the mass?
     
  14. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    How does a 'bigger' glove equate to more mass?

    Dimensions have nothing to do with density.

    And yes, if you want to be ridiculous about it you can say a 20 ounce glove reduces power because the point of impact becomes spread too thin.

    We are talking about something far more realistic here. An 8 ounce glove without a plaster pad versus an 8 ounce glove with a plaster pad.

    All other things being equal, the loaded glove hits harder.
     
  15. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    but bigger gloves means more mass, don't you think? and you said plaster pad increases mass. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to be enlightened in the first place.