How much would loaded hand wraps help you anyway?

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    :patschChrist!:patsch

    "One of the actual knuckle pads used by Capetillo on Margarito’s hands was on a table 10 feet away from me. I walked over to the table and asked the deputy district attorney Chappelle to feel the knuckle pad exhibit and object of the hearing. I felt the knuckle pad that was placed in a plastic zip wrap a good 15 seconds and realized that it felt soft. Maybe a little old and soft, but not hard as I expected. It felt like old gauze. One of the doctors told me that when it is moistened it would get harder. And that is why the Commission makes it illegal to wet hand wraps. "

    Can you not read Eze????

    The journalist who felt the pads actually described them as "soft"...."maybe a little old and soft, but not hard as I expected."


    .....and guess what Eze?????? by the time the journalist had felt those wraps, they had been sealed for weeks.....had that been plaster the pads would have hardened completely by then, yet the journalist here is still describing them as soft.:lol:

     
  2. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Yet the findings of facts state the pads were hard.


    Come on Divac. explain the white substance.

    If you want to believe Capetillo was cheating thats fine, but some form of cheating was going on. You dont cum on a pad for no reason :lol:
     
  3. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How can Margacheatos fans denide that Margo tried to cheat, when Magarito said himself, that the hand wraps were illegal and would have damaged Mosley?
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    To tell you the truth, I'm just completely disgusted and dissatisied with the way the CSAC handled the whole thing......

    I do believe the knucklepads were illegal.....but because the many eyewitness accounts like the one I linked you too, I dont believe that what was in the actual pad was plaster of Paris.

    The knucklepad was placed in a sealed bag.
    I've actually placed plaster of paris in a sealed bag, and it completely hardens within hours, depending on the consistency of the plaster mix, in many instances within minutes.

    .....yet we have Margarito's knucklepads in a sealed bag that to this day have yet to completely harden, the journalist actually described them as soft.:lol:


    They were illegal none the less because they were moist and compressed and that is against the rules.
    ......my contention is that the CSAC should cut their **** out and stop describing them as plaster, because everything with their vague explanation that the knucklepad contained elements that are found in plaster of paris is irresponsible when you consider there are many who have felt the knucklepads that have said the knucklepads were not plaster hard.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The knucklepad was compressed and moist which is illegal, but it was not plaster hard, which is what some of us are trying to clarify.


    If a wet and compressed knucklepad can cause serious damage to a fighter far beyond what a legal pad can do, let the commsion state so......but dont come at us with this **** that Margarito was carrying blocks in his hands.
     
  6. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    i believe something illegal that was meant to help the fighter was there.

    Whether Margo knew or not is up in the air.

    Is that fair to say?
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    ......but help the fighter with what?

    There are still alot of questions that have been un-answered. If the knucklepad has yet to harden like plaster, why are they calling it plaster like????

    The pads were illegal yes, because they did not conform with the rules.
    ......but I still have my doubts to the mindset of Capetillo when he planted those pads there......

    Capetillo testified and it was backed up by the inspectors, he was already mad and confused with how Richardson was dictating to him and the inspectors exactly what went where........
    .....and having said that, I'm finding it hard to believe that Capetillo would purposely bring out and plant illegal knucklepads knowing that Richardson is already objecting to every move he's making.

    Put yourself in Capetillo's shoes. If you were a trainer who was a cheat and you were being dictated by the opposing trainer how to wrap the hands of your fighter, would you take the chance and try to plant plaster of Paris in the knucklepads?????

    Seeing that Richardson was already objecting to every Capetillo move, I find it hard to believe that Capetillo would purposely plant an illegal pad in Margarito's wraps.
     
  8. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Divac, I just found the below article. And from that it seems Capetillo had already placed the inserts (one of them)
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    Nazim began asking questions:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/bygeo...J;jsessionid=3C7B196B29E58DB4CED5418D0575A571

    Now whether or not that stuff was real 'plaster of paris', I don't know. But what I do know is that whatever the insert, it was certainly intended for harm and to gain an unfair advantage. Even if it was slightly soft as described in the court room, I can't imagine it feeling too pleasant behind the force of a punch. Like Nazim says...."As you fight the natural cusion in the gloves wear down"
     
  9. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oh and the reason why they continue to call it 'plaster-like', is because:

    It may not have been able to turn into cement, but it cerainly wasn't a pillow being placed in there.
     
  10. Bazooka

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    its a black and white picture, that substance could have been green for christ sakes and would still show to be white becuase the photo is black and white....
    Adhesive from the tape, and medical tape does have alot of adhesive or gum if you would, I wouldnt expect you to know becuase you havent had your hands wrapped.

    and the pads were not hard or rock hard they were firm but bendable...
    lets just get down to the truth here, YOU do not like Margarito so your taking this theory and running with it...
     
  11. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    **** his parents.....yeah i said it !!!!

    greedy mutha****az killed their son by not letting him fight.....all he wanted was to fight...but the parents saw millions in a lawsuit
     
  12. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    especially if they were old and had been used many times before in the gym.....a few of my boys do that...they keep the same pad so that they dont have to keep making one every damn day.....i rememeber opening one up and it was so dirty and stiff and when i tried to stretch it, it had dry sweat all over it...almost looked flaky.....

    so this very well could be exactly what happened.....either way, it's illegal and the right man got punished for it....capetillo did do the right thing by admitting it though and taking full responsibility.......
     
  13. maracho

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    Plaster of paris, also called calcium sulfate hemihydrate (calcium, sulfer, and oxygen) is derived from heated gypsum mined from a quarry in Montmartre, Paris. However, without oxygen is like saying: we found some hydrogen and all that was missing to make water was the oxygen. So what is this mysterious chemical that Dr. Capetillo concocted? I believe it would have to be none other than calcium sulfide which is derived via carbothermic reduction (removal of 02) of calcium sulfate. Calcium sulfide, fairly common in Nevada, is a salt used since ancient times in homeopathic remedies, particularly for fungus and infections of the skin; and which would go quite nicely with a gauze used to prevent infection of a boxer’s bloody knuckle.


    Now according to Restro, Panama Louis not only removed padding from the gloves but made his wraps like a cast but this plaster bit only came out during HBO's Assault in the Ring which probably paid Restro quite handsomely to dice things up; and all IMO to vindicate Oscar's hate of Margarito who made very public some whining sparring episodes up at Big Bear.

    Oh and Naseem says it was rock hard but most including Shane Mosley say it was soft.
     
  14. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    so many twists to this ****en story its driving me crazy :lol::lol:


    really though...how people take what naz said like actual proof surprises me...especially after he admitted to trying to play mind games with trini....****, that almost ruined trinis career and that condom headed piece of **** didnt even care......yet profits off two cheaters..hahahahaah the irony of this pathetic human being
     
  15. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah IMO Richardson is both a scary dude and very shrewd. He made the same commotion about Floyd's Xyococaine, just not as a sneak attack as usual but it woulda been kinda a cool to see uncle roger and Nasseem do a feud in Floyd's dressing room