Brandon Rios vs Victor Ortiz in 2011....

I think Ortiz gets a lot more flak than what he deserves for the Maidana fight and what happened after. I think he's a step above Ortiz as a boxer. Obviously the Mental game is all Rios, but I think Ortiz would still win either way. It would be pretty vicious though, apparently these guys have some big beef against each other over a girl or something stupid. so that's that.

Brandon Rios' cholo gangbanger bull**** makes me want him to lose though.

 

I think Ortiz v. Rios would look a lot like De La Hoya v. Vargas did with Ortiz giving Rios a boxing lesson and possibly stopping Rios late.

Rios is a very disrespectful young man. There's no need for that in boxing. Show some class kid.

 

Yes, they have quit after PROVING themselves multiple times in the past, around the same stage Ortiz was when he quit against maidana...Imagine Cotto qutting against Ricardo Torres after being rocked multiple times, and then saying he doesnt deserve to be hit like that, or JCC against Rosario, ect, ect....

 

This is a fight that has to be made next year. Rios is already a big LW so it would be no problem for him to move up to 140. The problem is Ortiz is a big JWW and might outgrow the division before the fight can happen. If you ask me right now I'd say Ortiz but I wouldn't be shocked if Rios made him quit.

 

Ortiz still has too much to do at this weight, i'm sure GBP wants to match him up with Khan for an in unification house bout after Ortiz takes on the loser of winner of Bradley Alexander, or rematches Maidana. I'd say the longer and longer it takes for this fight to be made the worse chance Rios has. Rios himself still needs to challenge a world class opponent period, Vasquez, Soto, and then the winner of JMM Katsidis should be the next on his hit list

 

No, thats exactly what boxing needs....Villains are good for the sport, look at all the hype Mayweather brings..Dudes like Ali, Camacho, Hamed ect, who people hated so much they would tune in just so they can see them lose. Assholes bring in more viewers, thats good for boxing! Especially when this certain ******* is exciting as hell to watch, and brings it all in the ring.

 

ortiz will just quit and say some dumb **** like "**** you fans, i'm not getting hit for you"

 

but ortiz wasn't in the same situation as cotto

cotto had a broken nose and orbital bone and was swallowing blood, he fought for 11 rounds taking a pounding, he also didn't say anything stupid in the end but instead took the loss like a man, even to this day when someone brings up the handwrap incident cotto says "well if margo did it then he should be responsible and take his punishment"

not comparable at all!

what you can compare is cotto vs torres with ortiz vs maidana

cotto takes a beating, gets dropped, gets rocked all around the ring but comes back to knock torres out!

ortiz just folded and said "i'm too young to be hit like that", "i'm not getting hit like that for nobody"atsch

there is a huge difference in class between ortiz and cotto.

 

Exactly! People like Rios are good for the sport. You need guys who can talk, hype up and sell fights. If everyone had the personality of Mosley boxing would be boring. Rios should keep doing what he's doing calling out Ortiz and talking about him like a dog every chance he gets.

 

That was the problem for Ortiz though because he'd never been tested properly before. He went from taking a couple of stumbling steps, to being asked to run a marathon. As limited as Maidana is, he was a terrible choice for Ortiz at that point. He hits hard, he won't back off, he is hard to hurt, and Ortiz wasn't ready for that type of opponent. He needed a tough fight like Cotto had against Torres to prove to himself that he could go to war and come through it, but he didn't have that. He faced his 'Margarito' before ever being seriously tested and couldn't handle it.

There's no shame in that though. No matter what boxer it is, every one who has ever quit, has done so for the exact same reason. It can be a young fighter like Ortiz or an old one like De La Hoya against Pacquiao. They all quit for the same reason. If anything, Ortiz can be excused because he hadn't been there before, whereas guys like Duran had.

It shouldn't be a career defining fault. It happened and he's bounced back well from it. I'm confident that the next time he gets dragged into deep water, he'll know how to handle it and react like he has the ability to.

 

But that was ortiz's torres, before torres cotto was never in any serious trouble either.

 

I like Rios... a lot. Being realistic though, I would predict Ortiz by UD. Rios just isn't ready for that kind of boxing lesson.

 

Valid point.

I just think Ortiz gets an overly tough time over quitting so hopefully he learned his lesson.

 

Boxed, you are in fine form today.

 

Ortiz would beat him like he owed him money.