Overrated greats in order.........

2. Arguello was a well-regarded lightweight champion, and certainly wasn't shot when he met Pryor (who defeated him pretty easily the second time around-without the black bottle). Plus, he certainly carried his power to 140, as the kayos of Costello and Rooney proved.

Plus he's got victories over a past prime but still dangerous Cervantes, and legitimate contenders like Montilla, Johnson, Kim, Kameda, Hinton, and Blackmore. So he's not devoid of accomplishments...

Plus, if you were to put him head to head at his absolute best, and create a poll against virtually every other fighter at 140lbs, he'd win most of the votes in the vast majority of cases.

3. 140lbs had an established championship throughout the 30's, and Ross and Conzoneri both defended the title quite frequently throughout the decade. It wasn't as highly regarded as lightweight, of course, but it was considered legit by the time Canzoneri met Berg.

4. Loi fought a lot of European level opponents, but quite a few of them were legitimately decent fighters (Famechon and Johansen immediately come to mind). Plus there were solid contenders like Zulueta and Smith on his resume. Plus he went 2-3 with an all time great in Carlos Ortiz, and 1-1-1 with the incredibly underrated Eddie Perkins, and ran both of them close in each of the two fights that he lost. 3 losses in 126 bouts...All of them avenged. Never knocked down as a pro. That's a pretty great fighter in my opinion.

9. I justify it based on what he did at the weight, but if you want to throw Armstrong or Duran in there you could. But the only fight that Napoles lost at the weight was against LC Morgan by cut, and that was avenged by KO and he beat a lot of other contenders before he gained a couple of pounds and beat Cokes at welterweight.

10. Perkins holds victories over Loi, Hernandez, and a whole bunch of really sold contenders that fought at 140lbs in the 60's and 70's. Plus he generally fought in his rival's hometown.

There are fighters like Benitez, Taylor, and De la Hoya that might have had the talent to be rated, but I wouldn't scream bloody murder if they were on your list. But they tended to division-hop and that kind of hurts their rating on my list.

Anyway, I put up my list...Let's see yours.

 

How is Ali overrated, I know that him going around sayin he's the greatest is the reason why people rate him so high, but i can't name any other heavyweight in history better than him. he schooled great fighters when he wasn't even in his prime. he's like Tyson when he was in his prime and then came back not as good, but the difference is that he still was great. He's not the best p4p but he's the beast heavyweight

 

I agree, i think its between him and Louis for best heavyweight

 

He definitely was great, but I don't see him as the greatest. The reason I carry a sense of hate for him is because of people who don't know jack **** about boxing throwing his name around.

 

:rofl

 

joe frazier
mike tyson
larry holmes
joe louis for starters

 

WOW! Joe Louis I can see, but the other...how can you say that when Ali's resume is better? You cant be serious.:-(

Hell, Ali even beat Frazier twice and you still rank him ahead of Ali...Comments like that make people not take you seriously.

 

well ur that thick the 1st fight meant the most somebodies 0 had to go!

2nd fight ali held on too much illegally.

3rd the same and the fact that frazier was already blind in left eye before he even turned pro then his right eye swelled up bit hard to fight and ali was gunna give up anyway but futch beat ali to the point.

holmes held the title for how long???

hell id even say vitali would have beaten a prime fraud ali

 

When all other ways have failed...Call others names because you cant produce a logical point!:rofl

Ali held too much??? Are you serious...Did you even watch the fight??? The fact that you cant even produce something logical is comical...Only thing you've done was make excuse after excuse...Why dont you just admit that you're a hater and you cant even give reasons on why these guys are better....And I seriously doubt that Vitali would beat Ali...You can keep on reaching with that lil comment!:rofl

So with that being said...How can you rank them higher when Ali has beaten the better fighters??? What makes their resume better than Ali's??? Lets see if you can answer that since you skipped it in my initial post.

 

man you took the words right out of my mouth!!

i also had the Klits in mind

:happy

 

1) Roberto Duran. Take a trip to the classic and you will see how he's favoured to beat most Middleweights, including Benn, G-man, Eubank, Toney and Calzaghe. He Grant i think stated the other day, that Montreal Duran would've beaten all world champions throughout all divisions upto Light Heavyweight, except for Holmes at Heayweight, on that night. Plethora of excuses used to excuse his many, many losses, including; Being green, past prime, didn't train, ate food, cramp, needed a poo

2) Jack Dempsey. Looks like **** on film, has a poor resume, yet has a legion of deluded fan boys picking him over Louis, Ali, Tyson

3) Bernard Hopkins. Natural Light Heavyweight's best wins are over former Lightweights coming up.

 

One fighter that comes to mind who I think is overrated is Kostya Tszyu.

 

Funny, I never think about homo stuff, so it's when people put "(no homo)" that I think about it!

 

We all know that you're at a low-ebb & bitter what with your self esteem bordering on self-harm levels after you got humiliated & chased out of the classic for being a spasticated know-****-all useless wet wank but if you think it'll be any easier on the GF in your cred craving obsession to be respected as a fistic contibuter of any note then you are very much mistaken as your above statements only reinforce the populor concensus that you are the result of a union between **** & **** so **** off back to the lounge where your humour is much in demand & appreciated

 

nice post. I agree. Great performance against Arguello, but does that mean he is ATG. Longevity is part of ATG status. Then you have Virgil Hill who had 25 or so title defenses and people do not mention him much as an ATG, when Virgil Hill has to be rated over Aaron Pryor.