How in the hell was Wlad not in his peak against Corrie Sanders?

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  1. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Superior footwork, balance, jab and focus to the much greener version of Wladimir that got caught cold by a devastating lefty?

    Everything about Wladimir is better today, and you can't argue with that... if his game was all about protecting that chin, then how come he's stopped guys previously never stopped like Chagaev and Thompson? Chagaev beat Felix Savon as an amateur mind you.
     
  2. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't look at boxrec to judge fighters. I watch them with my eyes. And my eyes tell me that Chagaev is ****. I can break down his style in a couple of minutes.

    It's an amateur style. He used the exact same tactic against Wlad that he did against when he allegedly "won" against Valuev. If Valuev had a real punch, Chagaev would have got his ass knocked out in that fight.

    It was stupid tactics. He used a european style of standing right in front of your opponent with your guard up against the hardest punching heavyweight.

    And Thompson can't throw a body punch to save his life, has bad balance, and fights like a pure *****.

    Are you just trying to tell jokes?
     
  3. markclow

    markclow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I like to think WK is better now because he prepares more for each fighter and has a better defense.

    But Hendo could be right. He made some valid points. Maybe the Corrie Sanders of before could still beat him. We will never know.

    However at least we have the next best thing: David Haye.

    That is the do-or-die fight for WK.

    I wanna see David Haye go 'Klingon on his ass' and see how he handles it.
     
  4. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe you're lonely? Go to next room where your mama sleeps, take some money from her purse and buy yourself a woman for a night.
     
  5. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Allegedly beat Valuev? He schooled Valuev, much like Holyfield really did.

    Chagaev's a decent level heavyweight in todays landscape, which is pale in comparison to other eras, still...a pretty decent fighter, far from garbage, as you put it.

    Wlad is much too coordinated for a wild leftie like Corrie today, and would teach him a boxing lesson. Damn Hasim Rahman and Nate Tubbs decked Corrie, and you're totally dismissing the very real possibility of Wladimir putting him out? :lol:
     
  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was BY no means a schooling. He was getting his head knocked back REPEATEDLY by Valuev especially in the early part of the fight. He turned it up in the last half which in my opinion was enough to merit a draw.

    And Wlad makes a lot of mistakes defensively that he would not be able to make against a rangy, fast, and big southpaw like Corrie.

    If anything, Wlad would be EASIER to beat today because he is incapable at bending at the knees, and his defense consists of backing up in straight lines with his hand down.

    Sanders would bust him up. He wouldn't have an answer for his speed, and he can't fight inside AT ALL today. At least then, he wasn't afraid to let his hands go because Corrie would force him to fight.

    And Wlad's jab woudln't be nearly as effective against his southpaw opponent.
     
  7. Sakura

    Sakura Boxing Addict banned

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    Wlad was youngest amateur superheavyweight champ ever only 20 and example Lewis was 24 when he won tittle [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_heavyweight[/ame]

    Big guys grow up little slower...
     
  8. antonio8904

    antonio8904 Atheist Full Member

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    Thank you! At least someone has common sense here...

    btw, today's Wlad would destroy Sander's from that night, no question...
     
  9. MrMagic

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    Yeah.. apparently he can't employ a good jab against southpaws?

    He averaged 44% landed jabs against Ibragimov, 39% against Byrd in their second outing. Two much more accomplished southpaws, and more importantly two more defensive minded southpaws than Corrie Sanders.

    If you've watched Sanders - Wladimir, you would realize that Wladimir gets clipped coming forward, not when he's.. as you're putting it "backing up in straight lines with his hands down". The only reason he did that was A, he was dazed and B, he lacked the mental focus.

    He always had the physical tools to beat Corrie, he unfortunately got caught and **** happens, Corrie vacated the WBO following his win over Wladimir, to fight Vitali for the WBC in a big money fight. Wladimir never really got to avenge it immediately, and since then Corrie has fallen off the radar in embarrassing fashion.
     
  10. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said he didn't have the tools to beat Corrie, and you're right he got caught.

    But that was a PRIME and PEAK Klitschko that got caught. The one today would be far more susceptible to speed, which is what that version of Corrie brought to the table.

    The fact that Byrd and Ibriganov were VASTLY UNDERSIZED in comparison to Wlad and more importantly, DEFENSIVE, allowed him to land his jab especially in his fight with Ibriganov where Wlad was fighting as if Ibriganov was a lion and didn't want to risk going anywhere near him.

    Fact is, Wlad lost in his peak, and I don't see how people are disputing this when the evidence is there for everyone to see.
     
  11. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    You've said a lot of crazy things, but that ranks right up there with the best of them!
     
  12. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's pretty obvious. His diminished athleticism, his defensive tendencies, his cautiousness, would make him susceptible to an aggressive, hard hitting southpaw with SPEED.
     
  13. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see no diminished athleticism...if there is any at all, it's not noticeable. Defense and being cautious is a plus in my book. The goal is to hit without getting hit.

    And as to who Wlad would be susceptible to, you might as well say ""faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound", because with Wlad's experience, trainer, work ethic, etc.... that's about the only person I see beating him right now. Definitely not Corrie Sanders of 2003...that's a joke.
     
  14. RonnieHornschuh

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    He didn't even spar with a southpaw prior to the Sanders fight, because Sdunek didn't think it was necessary. So how could he have been ideally prepared?
     
  15. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nonsense. He was 100% completely prepared, even better than he would be today.

    It's true guys, it really is....HENDO told me so. :roll: