How in the hell was Wlad not in his peak against Corrie Sanders?

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  1. TheGreat

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    :nut Yeah, he was really getting high off that left hook......:lol::rofl
     
  2. TheGreat

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    These guys go back in forth, 1 day its too much vaseline, sometimes he was drugged, other times, its low blood sugar......:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  3. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His blood sugar was low cos Don King stole a press pass and drugged his water with Vaseline.

    Everybody knows that.
     
  4. Lance_Uppercut

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    Then disguised himself as Lamon and KO'd Wlad. :D
     
  5. Cachibatches

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    And Ali had to cheat agaisnt Henry Cooper.

    And Jack Johnson kncoked out by Chonyski and outboxed by Hart.

    And Tyson was knocked out by Douglas.

    Etc. Etc. So What? Great fighters have bad fights.
     
  6. ludwig

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    I think Wlad would say he was too lazy in this fight. While he starts cautious, he's also pawing for a right hand. Wlad 2nd big right hand of the round was a misfire and straight after, Sanders hits him hard with a left, and dominated the fight from then on.

    I fear having an awkward style is necessary for the rangy tall Heavyweight champ. Perhaps you could describe Ali's early style as "fluid" but certainly not Ali's late style.
     
  7. kirk

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    IMO

    No.

    And heres why.



    There is a difference between being at your best physically, and being at your best as a fighter.


    The reason THIS wlad is at his peak is quite simple.

    - He completely limits his opponents chances of winning
    * The young Wlad would give his opponent PLENTY of chances for victory

    - He has been in the trenches, he has tasted the grit of a slugfest and knows what it takes to survive and endure
    * The young Wlad was without a CLUE how to handle adversity

    - He has become a master almost of the clinch, and controlling you in close when he wants to
    * Young Wlad would back up in straight lines a lot more often then Clinch, and he wasnt as good at it then as he is today.



    Its a case of scaling back one aspect of Wlad, and in the process making him an all around better fighter. He took one step back and two steps forward.


    Meaning.


    Yes, I think young Wlad would indeed hammer out guys like Chambers, Thompson, and Brock earlier then todays Wlad, but Sanders and Brewster would not be beating todays Wlad..... no way, IMO. Its a trade off, and a good one at that. He might not hammer guys as early on as he did, but thats because hes a much more econimical and intelligent fighter these days, and picks them apart behind an iron jab and defense before ending the fight.


    There is no question at all IMO that todays Wlad is at his peak as a fighter.
     
  8. PetethePrince

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    Tokyo is better than any fighter Wlad ever beat, let alone fought. When did Ali cheat against Cooper? Don't give me the "extra time" "cut glove" myth. Ali got 5-10 seconds extra at best from that. And he didn't do it, it was Dundee.
     
  9. Cachibatches

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    Angelo Dundee has admitted that he split the glove to buy Ali extra time when Copper had him out on his feet.

    I repeat- Angelo Dundee has admitted it.

    As for Dougals being better- You sure don't see Chris Byrd loosing to the bums Douglas lost to, so no.
     
  10. PetethePrince

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    Look at the film, Ali got about 5 seconds extra in between rounds. Do you think he would've lost without those 5 seconds? The whole 30 second 1 minute crap is a debunked myth.

    Of course Douglas was better, especially Tokyo Douglas. The distinction is important. Douglas improved in the lead ups, but was really only a good fighter in a short period of time. If you think Byrd would've beaten him or was better than the one that beat Tyson that you're delusional or just don't know what you're seeing.
     
  11. Heavyrighthand

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    You can see within mere seconds of that fight that Wlad is on another level, evtirely, now than he was then.

    The difference is amazing. He lacked focus and didn't seem to know how to capitolize on his assets.

    He sure as hell does, now, though. Noone comes close to beating the Wlad of 2010, cept maybe his brother.
     
  12. Cachibatches

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    According to Angelo Dundee he would have. It is not a debunked myth accept in your mind. It is a reality. Great fighters, especially when they are young, have bad nights.

    So Douglas can improve over his miserable failures, but Wladdy Can't? You are so obviosuly and tranparently seeing what you want to see. Byrd as wins over Holyfield, Vitaly and Tua and that is much better than one win over Tyson.
     
  13. HENDO

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    :good
     
  14. MrMagic

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    HENDO, were you devastated when Allan Green got **** on by Glencoffe? :think
     
  15. mrbassie

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    The only part of the OP I agree with is the bit about Chambers being a bit crap.
    Wlad is unquestionably a better fighter under Steward than he was before.