"Holmes vs. Cooney" 1982...

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Computers are complicated to me...... I'm very basic..... I blog, e-mail and post on ESB.... Okay, I also look info up on Google.... Aside from that, I'm anti computer... I was so stoked to see my old vet who tends to my cat still using paper cards and a file cabinet..... YEAH!!

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  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    It's very easy to download and combine the fights off of youtube.. on a dvd
     
  3. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Inimitable style makes up for any deficiencies you might have in that area. (I'm probably less technologically proficient than you are.) Nobody here composes and presents opinions quite like you do. You sir, are a genuine original!:good
     
  4. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is all very true.....:think But I still have demons / issues....:scaredas:

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  5. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Without our demons / issues, would this world still be interesting enough to live in? Should we all crave sameness and dullness instead?:-(:)zzz
     
  6. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The late W.C. Fields once stated: "It's the ******* who makes changes in the world."
    :deal

    Now, my birth was legit, so I am not a true *******, but I am a real *******....:p

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  7. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rappoport and Jones did a good job of getting their guy a title shot. Not a good job of getting their guyto be a long term champ, I think they said lets take the shurer thing and all get rich. He did a good job with Holmes, but Holmes is probably the greatest heavy of all time, or at least right up there with the best. And at his best. Figure Gerrys best scenario was to go in there and blow him out in a few rounds. But, in not doing that, he actually fought fairly evenly with Holmes for hat, 13 rds? He did great. What he didn't do is go out and fight some contenders right away after that loss. What a shame, what could have been?
     
  8. MRBILL

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    Cooney later stated that Dennis Rappaport was kool, but co-manager Mike Jones was a money *****....... Victor Valle was pro boxing, so I give him a pass... But yes, Cooney needed ring activity..... His team failed him there......

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  9. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I remember reading how Jones didn't want the Young fight. Thats confidence, huh?
     
  10. MRBILL

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    Young trained hard for Cooney, but was past his best nights in 1980 and was cut badly in the fight by Cooney's powerful hook...

    Young's eye and nose wounds against Cooney were pretty equal to that of V.K.'s cuts against Lewis in 2003... Both men suffered waicked ass cuts in them fights against "Cooney and Lewis." GODDAMMIT!!

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  11. Miketyson2007

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    Hagler v Leonard was pathetic whys that I enjoyed it at the time and have since and think the right man won too.
     
  12. MRBILL

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    :huh:shock::rofl

    Kool... But that's a bit vague and off topic.... Cheerio....:admin:nono

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  13. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cooney failed himself. He had the classic bully mentality and was a ring coward who looked everytime for the easy path and opponant. The only reason he fought Spinks when retired was because he was bigger and thought he would have an weasy win for the title. He wanted no part of real contenders in a climb to the title. He was the biggest bum and coward I've seen in 47 years in the sport. and he still blames others to this day for his lack of intestinal fortitude and tenacity. Cooney fans are the most brainwashed idiots I've ever dealt with.:hi:
     
  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How many contenders YOU fight in your time? :roll:
     
  15. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ironically, MB, it wasn't a left hook at all, but a vastly improved right hand that was responsible for the decisive cut. At 1:24 of the Google Video Part 2 of their bout, you will see it. A long right splits Jimmy's guard, immediately followed by a hook to the body, just as a long right from Frazier tore open Jerry Quarry's face in their rematch five years earlier. (Immediately after that head cross-body hook combination, you can see Young dabbing at the freshly opened cut with his right glove.)

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5133066924024761275#

    Valle and Gerry worked hard on developing Cooney's right hand, and it paid off against Young. Later, he initially stunned Norton with a right, and flattened undefeated Philipp Brown with yet another right in 1984. Strangely, Gerry got away from using that right against Holmes, and it cost him. Ultimately though, his right hand did become arguably better than Ingo's hook.