Frazier - Ali

yep
he also beat chuvalo ellis patterson lyle bugner quarry cooper and archie moore plus liston and foreman like you said
minus frazier and its still a goddamn good resume without argument
you can't say the same for Frazier at all... that's his best win
:hi:

 

Why would I be kidding? To think that I would be highlights your own ignorance of the heavyweight rankings of the 1960's and 1970's.He fought them all.Besides Evander Holyfield,no other heavyweight even comes close to matching the level of opposition that he fought over the course of a twenty year career.

Largely based upon Frazier? I'm sorry,what? Because the Rocky character is from Philadelphia? I'm assuming you saw a clip of the delusional old man attempting to take credit for the character in some youtube clip that was posted not long back.

Rocky is a far more important figure to the city of Philadelphia than Joe Frazier is.This is undeniable.People don't spend their own money to go visit Joe Frazier;they will,however,spend it to visit the city,just to run up the steps - just like the Rocky character did.



Frazier will "forgive" when the time and money is right - like it has been about ten separate occasions over the last decade.

 

Joe's outlook on Ali has seemed to alter with his moods over the years. Sometimes he takes the forgive and forget route,and on other occasions,the bile still comes out.

 

And remember he was ducked alot! :tong

 

It would still be a great legacy even without joe.
Joe is the one that's hurting if you take away Ali.
I'll give you Patterson and Moore
Bugner actually didn't look to survive, he was looking to box with Ali but that didn't work obviously
You're right you can't call them great. But which fighters can actually say that they beat multiple all time great fighters. Ali can, with out without Frazier.

 

Yes he had a fine set of wins. But without Ali it's not nearly as special. That's pretty clear I think.
You can say that Ali would be fine without Frazier though, as he still had Liston, Foreman, and Patterson, all 3 all time greats. Frazier can't have a claim for that if you take away Ali from his resume.

 

Was this on tape/dvd or youtube? I'd like to see this if anyone has a clip of it.

 

Stallone says he wrote Rocky after watching Wepner. That is who he credited as his inspiration

 

ali vs liston both mafia jobs,

frazier won the 1st,

would have won the 2nd if judge wasnt paid off (plus the ref allowed illegal holding)

3rd fight joe was unlucky that he had been blind in his left eye for his whole career otherwise he would have gone out for final round.

rumble in the jungle... loose ropes, bigger ring than normal (all orchaestrated by ali camp) heat was messed up and foremans food was spiked.

Norton shud have won all the fights robbed of decision.

 

He wasn't. Very far from it. Do your homework, otherwise you'll come off as ignorant.

 

shut up