Glen Johnson vs Andre Ward and Froch vs Abraham X2?

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  1. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    Is this whats going to happen, Semi 1 Johnson v Ward, and then Froch vs Abraham rematch?

    who do you see a rematch benefiting out of Froch and Abraham?
     
  2. royalt0208

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    No the loser gets Ward and the Winner gets Johnson.
     
  3. Freakzilla

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    Johnson has 3 points so i believe that

    - If AA beats Froch then Ward will be first place and Froch will be in 4th so it will be Ward vs Froch and AA vs Johnson

    - If Froch beats AA then Froch will be second and AA will be 3rd ahead of Johnson on the tie break so Froch vs AA again and Ward vs Johnson.

    That's how i understand it, assuming it will be 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd? :? :nut
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    It will be in Ward's home town as "all" of his fights are in his home town. Dirrell refused to fight Ward in Ward's home town with Ward's referee and judges. Question is; How did Ward get all his fights in his home town? Bute was not allowed to fight in tournament for a good reason.
     
  5. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Was strange considering he was not a champion.
     
  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    In that case, I really hope AA beats Froch.
     
  7. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Ok based on this official showtime press release, here is what will happen. Home advantage in the semi finals will always go to the top 2 ranked fighters. The tiebreakers are as follows:

    Tiebreakers

    1) Head-To-Head: If the tied boxers had fought each other, the winner of that bout will be seeded above the other.

    2) Knockouts: If the two had NOT fought head-to-head or if they fought to a draw, the boxer with the most tournament KOs/TKOs will be seeded above the other.

    3) Scorecards: If they remain tied after the KO/TKO test, then the seeding is determined by the total scorecard points earned by the fighters from each of their Group Stage bouts. The boxer with more scorecard points will be seeded above the other.

    Those boxers who win prior to the final bell (via KO/TKO/DQ/Tech Decision, etc.) earn 10 points for each incomplete round. Those who lose earn 8 points in a KO/TKO round and 9 points for each subsiquent round. Glenn Johnson will have inherited Mikkell Kesslers scorcards from the Froch & Abraham fights.

    Current round scoring

    Ward - 1073
    Johnson - 999
    Froch - 679 (2 fights)
    Abraham - 672 (2 fights)

    http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/super-six-tiebreakers-56077


    Is AA wins by Knockout
    Abraham - 6*
    Ward - 6
    Johnson - 3
    Froch - 2

    *Abraham ranked 1st by have 2 knockouts. Ward only has one.

    Abraham vs Froch 2 in Germany
    Ward vs Johnson in Oakland



    If AA wins a decision
    Ward - 6
    Abraham - 5
    Johnson - 3
    Froch - 2

    Ward vs Froch is Oakland
    Abraham vs Johnson in Germany



    If Froch and AA draw
    Ward - 6
    Abraham - 4
    Johnson - 3*
    Froch - 3

    *Johnson finished 3rd by have 1 knockout. Froch has none.

    Ward vs Froch is Oakland
    Abraham vs Johnson in Germany


    Now this is where it gets confusing. For Abraham to finish in 4th place behind Johnson, Froch needs to be massivley dominant.

    Abraham needs to score 328 points in a loss to Froch to finish 3rd. This means if Arthur Abraham loses 10 of 12 rounds, or loses 8 and gets knocked down twice, and ends up with a score of 110 from the 3 judges, he will still finish in 3rd place.

    Froch will need to be completley dominant in victory to avoid a re-match with Abraham. An early Knockout, win every round and score a late KO or win all 12 rounds. This seems extremly unlikley and would be a shock in a 50-50 fights. So....

    If Froch wins but its not a complete shut out
    Ward - 6
    Froch - 4
    Abraham - 3*
    Johnson 3

    Abraham finishes 3rd due to more scorecard points

    Ward vs Johnson in Oakland
    Froch vs Abraham 2 in England



    Froch wins a shut out over Abraham
    Ward - 6
    Froch - 4
    Johnson - 3*
    Abraham - 3

    *Johnson finishes 3rd due to more scorecard points

    Ward vs Abraham in Oakland
    Froch vs Johnson in Nottingham



    So the best case scenario for UK fans is that Froch beats Abraham in an absolute classic. Abraham loses but its close, and picks up enough points to finish 3rd, which means we get Froch vs Abraham 2 in the UK.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    it's all gone to ****.

    What if Bika sparks Ward (definitely a possibility) or outroughs him and outworks him to a decision?

    A.A and Froch rematching sounds good; but what if the fight is an uncompetitive whitewash??!?!

    Not Showtimes fault, but bringing in others, giving some of them points but not to others, it's all gone to pot.

    Best thing possible was for Ward to have a keep busy fight and Froch-Abraham to meet him in the final. This is just ridiculous, although I'm not complaining because we get more interesting fights to watch.

    The tournament has been a failure; the match-ups it has produced most welcome.
     
  9. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    As above. Its would need to be a complete Dominant performance for them not to fight in the semi's. Froch would need to have a Calzaghe/Lacy style points win or an early KO.

    I agree. But if Froch vs Abraham is quality and Carl pulls it off, we get the rematch in the UK. Thats will be great. And Johnson will give Ward something to think about.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    This is true.
     
  11. Wickio

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    I like the sound of that very much. Froch-Abraham 2 in England would be astoundingly brilliant.