Definative Super Six Semi final scenarios

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  1. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Ok based on this official showtime press release, here is what will happen. Home advantage in the semi finals will always go to the top 2 ranked fighters. The tiebreakers are as follows:

    Tiebreakers

    1) Head-To-Head: If the tied boxers had fought each other, the winner of that bout will be seeded above the other.

    2) Knockouts: If the two had NOT fought head-to-head or if they fought to a draw, the boxer with the most tournament KOs/TKOs will be seeded above the other.

    3) Scorecards: If they remain tied after the KO/TKO test, then the seeding is determined by the total scorecard points earned by the fighters from each of their Group Stage bouts. The boxer with more scorecard points will be seeded above the other.

    Those boxers who win prior to the final bell (via KO/TKO/DQ/Tech Decision, etc.) earn 10 points for each incomplete round. Those who lose earn 8 points in a KO/TKO round and 9 points for each subsiquent round. Glenn Johnson will have inherited Mikkell Kesslers scorcards from the Froch & Abraham fights.

    Current round scoring

    Ward - 1073
    Johnson - 999
    Froch - 679 (2 fights)
    Abraham - 672 (2 fights)

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    Is AA wins by Knockout
    Abraham - 6*
    Ward - 6
    Johnson - 3
    Froch - 2

    *Abraham ranked 1st by have 2 knockouts. Ward only has one.

    Abraham vs Froch 2 in Germany
    Ward vs Johnson in Oakland


    If AA wins a decision
    Ward - 6
    Abraham - 5
    Johnson - 3
    Froch - 2

    Ward vs Froch is Oakland
    Abraham vs Johnson in Germany


    If Froch and AA draw
    Ward - 6
    Abraham - 4
    Johnson - 3*
    Froch - 3

    *Johnson finished 3rd by have 1 knockout. Froch has none.

    Ward vs Froch is Oakland
    Abraham vs Johnson in Germany

    Now this is where it gets confusing. For Abraham to finish in 4th place behind Johnson, Froch needs to be massivley dominant.

    Abraham needs to score 328 points in a loss to Froch to finish 3rd. This means if Arthur Abraham loses 10 of 12 rounds, or loses 8 and gets knocked down twice, and ends up with a score of 110 from the 3 judges, he will still finish in 3rd place.

    Froch will need to be completley dominant in victory to avoid a re-match with Abraham. An early Knockout, win every round and score a late KO or win all 12 rounds. This seems extremly unlikley and would be a shock in a 50-50 fights. So....

    If Froch wins but its not a complete shut out
    Ward - 6
    Froch - 4
    Abraham - 3*
    Johnson 3

    *Abraham finishes 3rd due to more scorecard points

    Ward vs Johnson in Oakland
    Froch vs Abraham 2 in England


    Froch wins a shut out over Abraham
    Ward - 6
    Froch - 4
    Johnson - 3*
    Abraham - 3

    *Johnson finishes 3rd due to more scorecard points

    Ward vs Abraham in Oakland
    Froch vs Johnson in England
     
  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopefully this happens.
     
  3. Clarkson

    Clarkson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A few points:

    I like that the top 2 get to fight at home but feel Ward should have fought away at least once.

    If Abraham KO's Froch I don't feel he should finish above unbeaten Ward as it suggests 2-1 (2 KOs) is better than 3-0 (0 Kos).
     
  4. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry The Reverse Somersault! Full Member

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    It's so gay that Ward get his semi in Oakland aswell.
     
  5. WesT

    WesT Boxing Addict banned

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    It's not 3-0. It's 2-0 and canceled fight
     
  6. WesT

    WesT Boxing Addict banned

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    Any1 think that Abraham will prefer a decision over a KO ?
     
  7. Clarkson

    Clarkson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which for the tournament purposes is the same as 3 wins.

    If Ward had defeated Dirrell and Abraham KO'd Froch I don't see how Abraham should be ranked first, I think the benefit of a KO is too generous in that you get an extra point AND the tie break.

    2Kos or 3UDs? hmmm...

    I guess it encourages fighters to go for the KO.
     
  8. WesT

    WesT Boxing Addict banned

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    It's all for the show. A KO will always be more spectacular then a UD.
     
  9. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's I'm thinking too. If he's got the fight in the bag, you can guarantee his promoter will be ordering him to not go for the KO.

    But I don't think King Arthur would be in that position. He starts too slow.
     
  10. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Think this would be better especially if Froch vs Abraham is a close fight and a war;

    If Froch wins but its not a complete shut out
    Ward - 6
    Froch - 4
    Abraham - 3*
    Johnson 3

    *Abraham finishes 3rd due to more scorecard points
     
  11. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is Ward's semi-final definitely in Oakland?
     
  12. Clarkson

    Clarkson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes lowest he can finish is 2nd place.

    Where's the final? Anywhere but Oakland!
     
  13. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry The Reverse Somersault! Full Member

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  14. MJK

    MJK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My question is, why Ward got points for not fighting his third fight, when Johnson got rounds of Kessler, but not the wins... That's just weird. So Ward got 3 wins, but two fights and I guess that in rounds he get a shootout vs. the no fight with Direll. So the fact that Ward have a very good chance to fight the semi's at home is due to this. Because if he would have gotten no points and no rounds from the no fight, it would have been easier for the other fighters to become first.

    So the fair way for everyone to do it would be to make Bika the 6th fighter (with the points and wins of Direll) and make the fight between Ward and Bika the 3rd fight of Ward. But in that way I guess it gives Bika a fair chance to makes the semi and it remove a lot for Froch and so on. But right now, the S6 just made the rules as the problems occur and that's a bit chaotic.
     
  15. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its stupidly confusing

    I hope the final is anywhere but Oakland