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its possible, i have seen and heard quiet alot of sarring stories where the better fighters are getting beaten up, but its a whole different thing in the ring,

ofcourse you wouldn't understand this when it comes to old man river.

 

this is legit. i remember when it happened, everyone in the philly boxing scene talked about it. hopkins even gave some quotes about it at the time.

 

No doubt. I am not knocking on you at all for the money issue and him being an investment. It's just crazy (and I see all the time with fighters) that somehow the fighter feels like they owe nothing to the original managers that brought them up. Even in movies like Cinderella Man, you remember that fighter Clint Eastwoood had at the beginning? It was like once they are famous they get a big head and dont want to give them ****. I understand however. Remember, fighters like Kermit take all the risk. They are the ones who take the blows to the head, who get injured, who risk it all. 20% seems like a lot to me. I mean you have to consider he gets half taken away for taxes, then another 20 from you, that leaves him with what, 30%? I dunno man, you seem kind of salty for all the wrong reasons. If I was Kermit, I might have negotiated a flat fee to you guys. But its nothing personal, just business. I dont see you guys getting along at all in the future, I take back what I said about you guys squashing this. Its all about the money it seems. Good luck with your future fighters though, I hope they make it big.

 

Well lets take my father for instance. His sport is soccer. He played when he was a kid living in Medellion, Colombia. He grew up poor, was a farmer. Went to college in Colombia and actually graduated with a masters in engineering. Got a job offer to the United States of America and ended up working for Gannett Flemming. He worked full time, designing bridges takes up a good amount of time. But his passion was soccer. He was so passionate about that damned sport, that he actually started a soccer club (which has about 1200 players in it now). Eventually he got to be the Varsity soccer coach for the high school team. This ****ing guy, every day, would dedicate 5/6 hours after work to help develop soccer players. He even got offered money from the high school, WHICH HE DENIED. HE DID NOT GET A ****ING CENT. He did it all for the players, most of which actually got to turn pro. Most who played in College (including my brother). He is 72 years old. And he still works with his club developing players. So you ask what job do I want to do without getting paid for it? Well I tell you what. boxing is a ****ing sport still, and I would do it for free. And a lot do it for free and dont expect **** out of it. Take a look at Kelly Pavlik. His trainer did driveways (still does driveways) for a living and trained Kelly for free. He opened up his gym because he LOVED his sport (remember that HBO countdown?) Its because he had passion for the sport. Something you and Kermit simply dont seem to have. but then again, its all about the business right? No wonder he left your ass. And by the way, 20% is still too much. If I came off the street and paid you $30,000 a year to train me full time you would do it in a heartbeat. And you couldnt even get mad if I made it big time. What I am trying to say here, is that dont expect to develop boxers at an early age and see only dollar signs. Do it for the ****ing kids. Who knows, they might even pay you back generously one day. Maybe you can land a contract with a real pro too. Having someone like Kermit on your resume would be good to show.

 

yeah he only invested 1,000,000's of dollars with his time. He is an engineer, rememeber that. Time is money. The fact that you took him in, and then act all crazy because you think something is owed to you seems dubious at best. When I see your gym name 'Kids In Need of Guidance' - I think of trainers who do it out of the goodness of their heart. Not do it for money. Just train the kids so they can make something out of themselves instead of living on the street (I've been to reading - shithole at best). I do not think of trainers who hope to make money off of these kids. I am not saying all they need is a pat on the back, but cmon dude. Its not like you are a world class trainer who can take a fighter to the next level. I mean you might be, but not to some fighter who hires pros. Look at Mayweather Sr, he is a hired gun. But they are far and few. They start by training for free basically. and there are a lot of trainers who work for free. Here check this out

Joe Calzaghe - trained by his dad
Shane Mosley - trained by his dad
Eric Morales - trained by his dad

the list goes on and on. I dunno man. You come on this board saying Kermit screwed you, and then go off on this tangent like he owes you something because he lived with you. I would figure someone (especially with a Gym called that) to have Kermit live for free and not expect anything out of it at all. And if Kermit made it big, let him loose with all the luck. You seriously need to change the name of your gym, its misleading.

 

I am also thinking about starting up a gym. Except it is going to be paid all by me. And if kids come in there wanting help, I'll do it for free and not expect anything in return. I dont even box! I've had my share of street fights and hit the bag, but man I ****ing love this sport. And going by 'my logic', yes, all I would want would be a ****ing pat on the back. I dont even think I would care for that. I guess that is the difference between you and me. Just gotta wait till I get enough money to open one up. Who knows, maybe one day my fighters can fight yours. I'm still young, I've got time.

 

Your not taking the money that was yours... is not Pavlik's fault. If this is a business, and you're a businessman, treat it like a business. Don't point fingers after the fact and try to ruin a young man.

 

Sure, that doesn't change the fact that for all I know, you made the Bernard Hopkins story up in order to add to your credibility. Cintron is simply not good enough to give Hopkins any trouble.