Media Spotlight: Sherdog's Zuffa Centric Bias Exposed

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Well if your taking that approach Shamus and Leslie wouldnt be there either

But yeah Josh should be there. If he came into the fight clean he would still beat most of the guys in the world, and as Chimba said, have a decent chance against anyone in the top 10

 

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Its never going to be easy but can you really justify Lesnar over Werdum right now?

Something like that really strongly suggests to me that rather than UFC fighters being favoured due to honiest analysis its infact been plain old bias all along hidding behind the mixed up nature of the sport.

A load of anti UFC arguements get mixed up in this but really the point should be that the largest MMA media outlet is clearly no longer impartial. Rankings themselves arent the end of the world but they provide a good barometer as to the website as a whole and Sherdogs editorial comment has been criticized as showing a clear Zuffa bias ever since Gross left.

Just look at some of the stuff we got after Lesnar's embarrising loss, "Fedor was the real loser", "the rise and fall of Todd Duffee" etc.

 

Fedor - proven fighter, lost once won 32 fights spanning over many many years and across many promotions. The best Sambo fighter and up there in Judo
Cain - unproven fighter whose only credible opponent has been an aging Nog. Has a good standup but unproven ground game (no submission wins to speak of). His wrestling is not of an international level.
Werdum - a proven fighter who has won one of the biggest international level grappling competition several times. Has a win against Overeem and Fedor. He has had KO and TKO wins but is not renowned as a standup fighter.
JDS - slightly proven fighter who isnt an international level at any other combat sport. Has a win against Werdum and an aging CroCop.
Barnett - proven figher who hasnt won an international level combat sport outside MMA. Has several notable wins against Nog in his prime. Has been busted as a drug cheat many times.
Carwin - Inexperienced, no notable international careers in combat sport outside of MMA. Adequate boxing and submissions with several wins in each. Has a bad cardio with only one going more than a round.
Brock - Inexperienced, no notable careers in international combat sport outside MMA. No notable wins against proven, prime, well rounded fighter. Has abysmal ground game and even worse standup game.
Rogers - Inexperiened, no notable international combat experience outside MMA. No wins against current prime, proven and well rounded fighters. Has shown better cardio than Carwin and better standup than Brock.


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IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL COMBAT EXPERIENCE
1) Fedor
2) Werdum
3) Overeem

IN TERMS OF OVERALL MMA EXPERIENCE
1) Overeem
2) Fedor
3) Barnett

IN TERMS OF OVERALL MMA QUALITY WINS
1) Fedor
2) Barnett
3) Werdum

IN TERMS OF OVERALL ROUNDED SKILLS SHOWN IN MMA
1) Fedor
2) Overeem
3) Barnett

NUMBER OF PROMOTIONS COMPETED IN MMA
1) Overeem
2) Barnett
3) Fedor

 

who the fuk has overeem beat at HW to be ranked in the top 5?

 

Nobody.

I think a lot of people rank him so high based on how they feel he matches up head to head. This isn't how fighters should be ranked. You can check the prediction league threads. I picked Velasquez to defeat Lesnar. I didn't rank him above Lesnar until he did it. That's the way a fair ranking system works. You base them on actual, relevant, accomplishments. Not how good you think a fighter will be.

 

Without cross promotion the best guys cant always fight the best guys, so speculation has to come into things

When i watch a well roiunded monster like Overeem toss around a 300lb sack of meat then go in and destroy K1 strikers yes i feel he would do extremely well head to head, and i rank him as such

I aint just gonna have him low down the list and wait for him to get a fight that may not materialize

 

Overeem does not have to fight in a cross promotion. He can fight Barnett, Silva, Fedor, or Werdum; any of which solidify him as a top 5 or 6 fighter at the lowest. The right one or two of which can have him as a legitimate argument for the top spot.

 

Has anyone looked at this guys divisional rankings? They're a complete JOKE. He won't shut the **** up about Sherdog's Zuffa bias and then he has Vitor Belfort ranked #2 at middleweight. Contradict yourself much?

 

When Pride was a thriving organization and actually had the best fighters in the world I ranked them based around the Pride heavyweights with the UFC heavies serving as the lower tier of the top ten. Now with the UFC's merge with Pride all of the best heavyweights went to the UFC. I think it's a sad case of revisionist history for Pride fans that suddenly write off former Pride greats because they lost when they entered the octagon - because in most cases they entered the UFC on winning streaks. But that's a whole different debate.

With all of the best heavyweights now in the UFC - in order for Fedor to maintain his claim to supremacy he needed to fight the UFC champion which would have been Randy Couture at the time. Fedor chose not to do so and in effect relinquished his claim to heavyweight supremacy and consigned himself to fighting the now lower tiered heavyweights that had been cast out of the UFC for losing to the top fighters.

We're not talking about mythical pound for pound rankings or how these fighters would do head to head - because I would still pick Fedor over any heavyweight and I have no idea how a fight between Overeem and Velazquez would turn out but I would love to see it.

But what I do know is that in rankings based on who beat whom - that the Strikeforce heavyweight are all lower tiered due to the fact that half of them are coming from the UFC with losses or having recently lost to fighters that entered the UFC from Pride ie: Barnett's losses to Crocop and Nogueira who both went on to lose to the top UFC fighters. So no - there is no way possible Fedor, Werdum or Overeem could be considered the top heavyweight in the division. They must be ranked below the fighters they've lost to and the fighters that beat them or in Overeem's case only ranked as high as his actual best heavyweight victory which to this day remains Bret Rogers who isn't even ranked on ANYONE's list in all of this.

 

Agree. But in Reems case its not for lack of effort. He's unsuccessfully chased fights with both Fedor and Werdum, in his eyes the only fights that make sense. Its not his faults these fights never happened. He did what he could, and when they never naterialised he decided to beat up the best strikers in the world

I do see where your coming from wanting to wait for these to acutally happen before you put him so high, i just happen to have enough faith in the monsta already to rank him somehere in the top 2

 

+1

 

There is no revisionist history at all. Those pride fighters are still great, well rounded and proven fighters. However as with anything, age eventually catches up. As an MMA fan who has seen the sport evolve, its clear that the prime CroCop and Nog of Pride is a totally different fighter to the very old and battle haggard CroCop and Nog of the UFC. The ones that transitioned well from Pride to UFC were the young and up and coming fighters.

Fedor and his team were well on their way to fighting Randy, Randy also wanted to fight Fedor. It was Zuffa who sued Randy citing the champions clause, this prevented the fight. You should read up on this sometimes.

Then Brock, Carwin, Mir, Randy, GSP, BJ Penn should not be considered top HW since they also lost to UFC fighters?

JDS and many other UFC legends like Anderson Silva should not be consided top fighters because they lost outside UFC?

The best, most rounded, most experienced and most proven fighter with the record should be ranked as the best. In this case its Fedor, Overeem, Josh, Werdum.........Fedor along has as much fight experience as half of UFC's current top NEW breed fighters.

 

By your complete lack of mentioning the fact that Crocop entered the UFC as the reigning Pride Open Weight Grand Prix champion and instead calling him "battle haggard" you prove my point. You do your best to discredit any legitimacy that they carried over with them in their transition from Pride.