MonaroCountry's top 10 HW fighter

I know that Cain's competition thus far hasn't been incredibly impressive, but you have to admit that it is much better than Guram Gugenishvili's. Does the fact that he has only fought two people with winning records mean nothing to you?

 

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAA!!!!!!

This ranking is a complete joke.

Let's see Fedor lost to Werdum who lost to Junior Dos Santos who is the current number one contender for the UFC title. Alistair OVereem hasn't actually beaten a top heavyweight other than Bret Rogers who was never ranked by anyone with any credibility and isn't even ranked by anyone now.

 

Guys like Del Rosiro and Guram who've yet to face quality competision in the top 10 let alone above Cain is just silly..

A more sensible list based on results would be something like this, guys close enough for opinion to be a factor I'v put side by side.

1-2 - Werdum and Cain
3-4 - Fedor and Lesnar
5 - JDS
6-7 - Carwin and Overeem
8 - Mir
9 - Nog
10 - Bigfoot

 

brett rogers was ranked in the top ten after he beat arlovski

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you got lesnar too high dont you?

in the top 5 with fedor over jds and overeem is too high for me.

 

If we were talking opinions on ability then yes I'd have JDS and Overeem above Brock but based on results not at the moment. #4 is I'd say the correct position for Brock, it reflects his wins but also his lack of long term results.

Thats IMHO where alot of dishoniestly creeps into rankings, looking at how far fighters should drop with a loss. Sherdog loves to play the "he was #1 he can't drop that far" card when in suits them(i.e when a UFC fighter is involved) but the reality is that not all rankings are equal. Brock rose to the top of the HW division(and I do think he deserved at least the #2 spot post Carwin) based on a limated number of results due to its mixed up status and Fedor's loss, he should fall just as quickly when he stops winning.

 

lesnar got stomped in his last fight, jds has been on a roll -not against the best comp but lesnar really hasnt fought the best either, and then with a devistating loss..... well I dont know, these rankings are kind of silly but for some reason I keep going back to them.atsch

I really dont think lesnars wins are that good heath herring, couture, mir, and carwin not all that impressive, good wins for a fighter of his experience and abilities, but nothing to get wood over.

 

Mir is not that great but how the hell is he semi retired?

 

As I said in the other thread I think we need to admit that HW today is NOT in the same position it was 3-4 years ago.

That was a stable division in which the best fighters had fought consistantly for a number of years to establish certain names at the top. Todays HW division is much more like that 8-9 years ago with new faces appearing, old faces decling or becomign inactive and many big matches not having taken place.

A ranking position IS NOT a defintive ranking of quality, its merely an assesment of who ahs achieved more at that moment. Sometimes the guy ranked #1 or #2 has done a ton to establish himself in that position as was the case with Fedor and Nog, sometimes though he's merely the guy on the ebst short term run in a mixed up division as with Lesnar recenly or Soko a few years ago.

I don't think Randy, Mir or Carwin were really established as top 5 fighters when Brock beat them but they were decent wins that should see him stay relatively high in todays division even after a loss. If he were to lose again though I'd drop him along way, maybe out of the top 10 depending on how other results went.

 

I can see where your coming from, I would rank him a little lower is all. below werdum, fedor, cain, overeem, jds, and and maybe even behind barnett.

I dont think lesnar really ever proved his place at a #2 spot or #1 spot after his 4 fight winning streak. he obtained the ufc title without deserving it by beating a guy who never really was deserving of the title himself and then after that was coming off a more than a year layoff at the age of 45 years old!! brock lesnar was basically a paper champ who only after claiming the title had to prove his legitamacy. which he was on the way to do when cain velasquez smashed him. with only 7 fights in total 2 being losses he doesnt have much of a foothold in any position and can fall quite far down the rankings based on the accomplishments of others and bad performences as well as a loss moreso for one so devestatingly one sided.

 

And Overeem was fighting....