ESB Top 20 (Prelims)

I think some verry early heavyweights get a raw deal here.

For example, John L Sullivan makes the tail end of many peoples lists, because that is the highest rank they can justify based on the surviving documentation.

I would respectfully suggest to those people, that perhaps they should leave him off their list altogether, or bite the bulet and give him a position appropriate for a champion who dominated an era.

Sullivans title reign is strong on dominence, volume, and longevity. Prety much everything except strength of era.

 

I honestly think Buster Douglas is far more worthy of a top 30 ranking than Vitali Klitschko.
His wins over Tyson, McCall & Berbick are worth a great deal more than Vitali's miserable resume.

 

Douglas has one huge win (Tyson), but outside of that Vitally is going to drown him on volume.

 

Vitali Klitschko was way more dominant and consistent though.
I do agree that Tyson has the better single win.

 

Dominant & consistent against who?

 

Try to find sombody to beat him this time next week.

 

Everybody.. lets' face it, Douglas wasn't much of a champion.. Vitali at least has built up a long winning streak... Against bums.
I suppose he has Gomez, Sanders, and Hide under his resume.

 

Volume of disgustingly bad wins?
Even the fat & unmotivated Douglas who defended against Holyfield would easily beat the likes of Sosnowski, Kevin Johnson, shot-to-**** Briggs & an Arreola even fatter than himself.

How would Vitali have performed in a defense against Peak Holyfield?
Even in Peak condition, I say Vitali as next to no chance of victory.

 

True, but as I said, Vitali would have been dominated & lost the belts immediately too, if he had to defend against Peak Holy.

Gomez, Sanders (38 year old, fat, part-timer, with 2 rounds of stamina) & Hide definitely wouldn't succeed against any good version of Douglas ('87 Tucker - '90 Tyson).

 

Kalasinn but that´s the problem, you are talking about what may have been. You can´t base rankings on what may have been.

 

This is where we get into speculation.

Personaly, I think that prime Holyfield would have given Vitally a boxing lesson.

I have been a sore in VKs side on this site for much of his career, because of his poor opposition, but I have to give credit where it is due.

The only thing you can ever prove, is what a fighter does against the elite of his era, and Vitally has knocked off a string of ranked contenders since his comeback.

 

It says we make the list how we like. His winning the HW title and coming up from 160 done it for me , and H2H at HW he beats some of the oldies on these lists.

 

this is critical to these assignments. it's only on what he actually did. quarry MAY have dominated the 80s..but he didn't and he was a top contender in the 70s. what people did and what we think they could do are people. or more aptly perhaps, what we WANTED them to do doesn't matter.

 

So give us a list Kally :deal

 

Tomorrow.

Besides, I didn't say Vitali wasn't in my top 30, I said Douglas was greater & more worthy of a position, in reference to most people including Vitali & neglecting Buster.