Very worst ref of all time...?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Aug 29, 2007.


  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruddock was only age 31 in 1995... He wasn't shot.... He was wealthy and lazy by that juncture... All his fault too for getting soft and weighing in at 242 pounds.... Had Ruddock maintained his desire and trained hardcore, he still could've been a serious threat in 1995.... Ruddock lost interest after getting dusted by Lewis in 1992.....

    STILL! That has nothing to do with how Ron Lipton handled the fight... He did his job well there...... Ruddock was taking too many shots from Morrison in round 7.... The stoppage in Morrison's favor was just......

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  2. Johnstown

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    I cant think of anything horrible he ever did...but frank cappuchino seemed a bit off to be anytime he refered....never physical at all to break guys up...would make up his only stupid rules (like when lennox was moving his hands in front of briggs..and frank yelled not to play...lol..it was lewis's busines..he was fighting)
     
  3. DFW

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    Pete Giacoma in the second Fullmer-Basilio fight. Carmen wasn't doing that well in the fight but having watched it I had to agree with Basilio that the ref did a lousy job of officiating. Carmen should have been allowed to continue and finish the fight. He certainly looked like he could have gone the distance even though he wouldn't have gotten a win.
     
  4. klompton

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    The ruddock stoppage may have been a bit premature BUT, and this is one of things that makes a good ref, ruddock had been dropped and hurt several times in that fight from monsterous punches and was verging on the territory of absorbing a beating for no reason. This was proven out in the second fight when Tyson beat the living **** out of Ruddock, broke his jaw, and sent him to the hospital for two weeks after the fight.
     
  5. Clinton

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    Dave Parriss.Just watch Rogan-Sexton,Barrera-Khan and Hatton-Tsyzu.UGH!!!
     
  6. klompton

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    I take a major issue with this because its simply one of those ridiculous myths that has gotten blown out of perportion. Wolgast legitimately dropped Rivers then fell on top of him as he followed through with the punch. It was not a double a knock down and so the ref assisting Wolgast is not contraversial, certainly not in that era. Secondly Welch was a respected referee during that time period. Furthermore, Wolgast later claimed he was fouled by Rivers but if you watch the film closely you will see Wolgast actually lands with his groin on Rivers knee and it is this that Causes Wolgast to be unsteady, not a purported blow to the chin (which doesnt even happen) The only problem I have with the way the bout was handled was that Rivers was saved by the bell but Welch deemed him unable to continue.
     
  7. klompton

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    Little Lawrence Cole is one of the worst Ive seen.
     
  8. Drew101

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    Arthur Mercante Jr may not be the worst, but he may well have cost Beethaven Scottland his life against George Jones, and his handling of Cotto-Foreman was atrocious.
     
  9. The Wanderer

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    There are more on Mercante Jr's record too, like letting Pernell beat Hurtado while Hurtado was helpless and trapped in the ropes, or counting to 10 over the body of Michael Dokes after Ruddock blasted Dokes into week, etc. If it hasn't happened already, someday a fighter is going to be seriously hurt because of Mercante's stupidity.
     
  10. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've seen a clip of Arguello complaining about Perez too. It was in reference to the Arguello-Mancini fight, where Arguello feels that Perez let the fight go on too long, and the result was a couple of rounds where Mancini just soaked up punishment before Arguello could finish him off.
     
  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've never seen the film of it as I didn't know it even existed.I'll go look it up on youtube now.

    I was going by accounts I've read in boxing books and Ring magazine which goes to show you can't believe everything you read especially when it pertains to boxing history/myths.
     
  12. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the guy that is reffing the Mar-Pac fight is terrible. he has messed up many fights
     
  13. Stevie G

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    If you listen to Henry Cooper,it was Harry Gibbs !
     
  14. MAG1965

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    the guy who scored Leonard/Hagler?
     
  15. MAG1965

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    I always saw that as a great ref. He was not looking at the clock he was looking at Taylor. Taylor was going to be stopped and the clock could have saved him, but what kind of a win is that anyway? Let a guy survive just because he might be able to not get hit by Chavez in the remaining seconds? Richard Steele might have been one of our best refs ever. Eventually if a guy does enough fights he screws up a few times, but his overall work is great. He did great with Hagler and Hearns.