Manny Pacquiao is a sure TOP 15 ATG..

a win over floyd would put him top 10; over williams/martinez @154 would put him top 15.

 

Win over Floyd gets him top 15.

 

Let's be honest, those accomplishments look very impressive on paper, but when ranking him in P4P ATG terms, we're looking at his ability, dominance, longevity and resumé more than his accomplishments. I mean Duke McKenzie is a 3 weight world champion after all, and he's not even a great over here, let alone world-wide.

That said, he's probably around the 30 range for me right now. If he wins tomorrow, I'll consider shifting him up a place or two depending on the method and dominance he displays should he win. If he beats Mayweather, he may crack a top 20. If he beats the winner of Williams/Martinez, he may do aswell. If he beats both, he definitely is.

But my ATG list at the moment - up to number 21 completely and that I'm happy enough with - is as follows:

01. Henry Armstrong
02. Harry Greb
03. Sugar Ray Robinson
04. Sam Langford
05. Ezzard Charles
06. Bob Fitzsimmons
07. Willie Pep
08. Benny Leonard
09. Mickey Walker
10. Roberto Duran
11. Archie Moore
12. Joe Gans
13. Muhammad Ali
14. Barney Ross
15. Jimmy McLarnin
16. Joe Louis
17. Charley Burley
18. Terry McGovern
19. Sugar Ray Leonard
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Barbados Joe Walcott

Would I consider putting him over Canzoneri or McLarnin at this point? A certified, categorical and resounding no is the answer.

 

To you!! Because You're so dumb!! HBO people & Historians already saying Pac's at least top 15.

 

Cool story bro. Thanks for coming.

 

Top 30-40 if he beats margarito

 

Considering you've said he's already top 15, perhaps you'd like to post your own top 20 list so I can see where he sits with the greats in your eyes. Or do you just listen to everything HBO tells you and go with them?

 

The real test will be whether they're still saying the same **** twenty-five years later. The zeitgeist always gets more of a spotlight than the past.

Top 30.

 

He is probably close, but I am not sure that high. Maybe near 20.. You have to remember there have been very good fighters who beat real greats in thier prime like Sugar Ray Leonard.

 

Pacquiao needs someone like Mayweather to propel him amongst the absolute greatest of all time.

Perhaps some beast at 154lbs like Martinez would prove to everyone that Pacquiao is a freak of nature. (he is a freak of nature)

 

:thumbsup

 

What for?? I already said Pac is at least top 5. Only Ali, SRR, Joe Louis, Armstrong, SRL, Duran, in on the discusion!!

 

He lacks the win against another ATG in his prime. If he can win against Floyd we can speak about top 20. Barrera, Morales and JMM are first ballot HOF but I don't think they are ATGs. For example Ali should be considered in front of Pac because he has wins against two ATG in their primes. Duran has the amazing win against SRL. SRl has wins over Hearns and so on. Pac has a crazy number of wins against HOF that's for sure.

Edit: I won't put Pac before Arguello or Sal Sanchez (20-30ATG) before he wins against Floyd

 

Maybe he's top 15 but Master Mayweather surely top 3 skill wise:yep