If Haye does this to Wlad?

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lights out.
     
  2. SomeGuy101

    SomeGuy101 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    difference is Wladimir controls the fight. Harrison does not.

    World of difference if you've ever boxed in real life believe me.
     
  3. iamtheman

    iamtheman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad is not Harrison.
     
  4. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.
     
  5. Valane

    Valane Active Member Full Member

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    Didn't even knock Audley out.
     
  6. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Wlads in trouble. He'd get back up but Haye would likely finish him.
     
  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Part-time Sanders, Brewster, Peter etc., weren't Haye either and they landed enough times. Wlad has never faced an accurate, hard, fast puncher like Haye, who has technique to match. Yet he's been knocked out, so whilst Wlad isn't Harrison, it doesn't mean it's impossible.
     
  8. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And Wlad is definitely not the same fighter who fought Sanders, Brewster I, or Peter I. He's vastly improved.
     
  9. Jack

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    Being serious for a second, the biggest flaw Wlad has, is he lacks a fighters heart, something he has even admitted himself. He is far too easy to rattle and if Haye came out fast and launched himself into Wlad, he has a serious chance of causing Wlad to lose all composure. Wlad is a great fighter, but only when he's in control mentally. If he isn't, he's a very flawed fighter. If Haye can manage to do something as simple as rattle Wlad in the opening round, get him panicking and make him ask questions of himself, Haye's chances will go up massively.

    Haye said he would fight Wlad like Tyson and, after the fight, there may be genuine comparisons to Tyson/Spinks, if he does it successfully.
     
  10. Jack

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    The flaws will cost him those fights are still there though. They are the same flaws which were exploited back then and can be exploited by Haye, so whilst he has got better, he's not unbeatable and it doesn't take a great fighter to exploit his weaknesses.

    Wlad has got better since those three fights but it's also notable that Haye is a much better fighter than either of those opponents and presents even bigger problems.
     
  11. Davo

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    As bad as Audley is, Haye controlled and destroyed him. That is what Wlad has been completely unable to do against all the many many bums he has faced over the years. When you add in that the size disadvantages Haye overcame are literally reversed in Wlad's case, you have one of the most overrated fighters in modern history in Wlad.
     
  12. bballchump11

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    :good Haye has a killer instinct and Wlad doesn't. I can't make too good of a prediction yet, but I think I got Haye. Did you see what happen'ed when Harrison tried to clinch. Haye just threw some shots over top and rattled him and that's what would happen if Wlad fought him like Samuel Peter
     
  13. Jack

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    Exactly. Wlad has a good defence on the outside - His jab. He lacks head movement, foot movement and backs up in straight lines, but it doesn't matter because he keeps a good enough range that he doesn't have to worry too much about defence.

    On the inside, his defence is always to hold. I think it's very effective and I don't blame him for using it, but he has never - never - fought an opponent who can effectively fight on the inside. When he has tried to hold and his opponent has punched his way out, look at what has happened. I'm a big Wlad fan and I've seen most of his fights except a few early ones but the only person who has presented the problems on the inside that Haye would? Sanders.

    I think Wlad will throw jab after jab but will be largely ineffective against a fast opponent and never throws the right against a moving opponent. If Haye keeps moving, he just has to avoid the jab and then rush to the inside, throwing leaping hooks to get there, and if he lands, Wlad will hold, unless he gets hurt. If he holds, Haye will punch his way out, ripping him to the body and wriggling out to throw head shots. Unlike these lethargic opponents Wlad is used to fighting, Haye won't be static when in the clinch and will punch his way out, just like Sanders did.

    Haye by KO.
     
  14. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Haye needs to fight another 5 times and defend his title before he fights the Klitchkos.
     
  15. iamtheman

    iamtheman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First off, Haye controlled Audley. AUDLEY. There is no case for Haye there that says he is skilled at controlling fighters, any decent boxer could show up Audley. Also, most of Wlad's opponents would destroy Audley. Second, the size advantage he overcame, once again, AUDLEY. Wlad actually uses his size to his benefit.