The full Teddy Atlas - Donny Lalonde "Murder" story

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  1. gooners!!

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    Fightnews recent interview with ESPN commentator and trainer Teddy Atlas has
    drawn quite the reaction from fight fans all across North America. In the
    exclusive interview, Atlas touched on having to go to Winnipeg and broadcast
    a fight of Donny Lalonde in 2003, a former world champion on the comeback
    trail at the time, and somebody Atlas had trained years previous. It is
    revealed in his book, "Atlas: From the Streets to the Ring: A Son's struggle
    to Become a Man," that Atlas came very close to murdering the 'Golden Boy'
    from Winnipeg in his New York City apartment, many years previous to their
    reunion in Winnipeg. In the book, Atlas describes getting a gun and going
    into the city, ready to get the job done. Getting buzzed into the building
    by another tenant and knocking on Lalonde's door. "If he had opened the
    door, he was dead," Atlas writes, "I would have pulled the trigger, turned
    around, and walked away."

    Teddy waited through the night, waited for Lalonde to return, phoning the
    apartment periodically. When he finally got through, Lalonde's girlfriend
    picked up. Atlas asked if Donny was there, and when the answer came back
    yes, he hung up and started making his way over to the apartment, still
    intent to finish the job he came to do. Somewhere during that walk, Atlas
    changed his mind, for whatever reason, he decided not to go down the path
    that would take Lalonde's life and forever alter his own, likely ruining it.
    Lalonde who had let Atlas go as a trainer, had no idea how close he actually
    was to dieing, had no idea that had he not been out that evening, he would
    have likely been dead. He found out two weeks ago.

    "The first I heard of this was about two weeks ago from a friend and former
    fighter Danny Vandal, the former mayor of Winnipeg," Lalonde tells Fightnews
    from his beachfront home in Costa Rica. "It actually didn't even surprise me
    when I heard it. Teddy got into fights with trainers and fighters quite a
    bit when I was with him. He may not be the most stable person walking
    around."

    Lalonde wanted to set the record straight, "I feel compelled to communicate
    with the boxing community the accurate truth of his inaccurate comments,"
    the 41-5-1 fighter told us, adding that he has no recollection of the
    particular evening in question, "I don't remember any of it. Maybe he said
    it to sell his book, maybe he did that. I hope not for his sake. Sounds
    pretty demented to me. I feel sorry for him.

    "Teddy always prided himself on being such a man of morals and values. Can
    you imagine being that disturbed by being fired? Sounds like he needs some
    therapy to me." At the heart of the matter was Atlas being let go by
    Lalonde. The money aspect of walking away from Mike Tyson was never
    important according to Atlas, but the potential money he lost out by the
    Lalonde split had him seething well past the first WBC super-middleweight
    championship fight ever with Sugar Ray Leonard in 1988 and well past the
    time Atlas had a heavyweight world champion in Michael Moorer in 1994.

    "I understand that Teddy suggests that he trained me for two years, was
    instrumental in my success, and that he was fired just short of him
    benefiting by being involved in the financial success of my career. Had he
    still been my trainer when I fought Ray Leonard, he would have earned
    $600,000 and he refers to that in the book.

    "In case Teddy doesn't realize he actually only trained me for one year of a
    23 year professional career. Look at my record; it was one year and one
    month exactly. Teddy Atlas was my trainer for 8 fights of my 47 fight
    career."

    Lalonde who refers to Atlas as a "certifiable nutcase" points out that his
    former trainer even gets the apartment wrong that he painstakingly describes
    in great detail, talking of walking through the rain to 50 Barrow Street. "I
    bought a condo on Bleeker and Broadway in June of '87," said Lalonde, "I
    lived there at the time. He thinks he was at Dave's (manager Dave Wolf) old
    apartment that I lived in when Teddy trained me."

    Also disputed by Lalonde is him asking Atlas to manage him and being refused
    and told instead that Dave Wolf would be the best fit. Lalonde describes his
    quest for a manager that eventually would lead him to Wolf and subsequently
    Atlas as trainer.

    "As I did in looking for the best help in the gym by seeking out Marvin
    Johnson for the toughest sparring I could find, my next step was finding the
    best manager in the game. I called Mike Trainer who managed both Ray Leonard
    and Shawn O'Sullivan the Canadian that won a gold medal in the previous
    Olympics. My other hope for a manager was David Wolf who managed Ray "Boom
    Boom" Mancini as well as others. At the time they were the most successful
    mangers in the game and both were respected as the two best. As a matter of
    logistics I ended up visiting Mike Trainer first in Maryland at his office.
    Mike was very kind but he was unable to help me he said because he had
    committed to Ray and Shawn to not take on any more fighters so he could
    concentrate on their respective careers. I then asked Mike who he thought
    would be the best choice for me in the game as a manager. Mike didn't have
    to think about it, he said David Wolf. I told him that I had already spoken
    to Dave, I thanked him and contacting Dave was my next move.

    "I contacted Dave and having seen my fights against Willie Edwards and the
    ESPN fight. Dave was interested enough to invite me to N.Y. to visit him and
    talk to him about the possibility of us working together.

    "Dave and I made an agreement and his first priority was to move me to N.Y.
    He, at the time managed Donny Poole also from Canada and Teddy was Donny's
    trainer, Dave suggested that we try working with Teddy."

    It was not a relationship that would last, and one that has Lalonde ranking
    the D'Amato protégé at the bottom of his list of trainers. "I can't honestly
    say that I retained much if anything that I was taught by Teddy. Teddy too
    was a part of the whole but a VERY insignificant part I must say. The least
    significant of ALL my trainers throughout my career in fact.

    "Overall I was injured a lot while with Teddy and he refused to acknowledge
    these injuries which made them worse. By trying to "be a man" as Teddy would
    say. My injuries are so documented, he is completely nuts, as if two
    shoulder surgeries and many subsequent tears are "in my head", both hands
    broken and incorrectly aligned wouldn't have something to do with my
    injuries? Again, "in my head" he had to convince me I wanted to fight??

    "After one year of struggling to establish a cohesive relationship with
    Teddy, Dave and I decided that it was in our best interest to try another
    trainer.
     
  2. gooners!!

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    "Teddy is well known, he is a good self promoter so I don't have to get into
    who he is but as it related to me his training style was not effective for
    me and that is all I really have to say about him as a trainer. I was World
    rated before I met Teddy, I was World rated when "I left Teddy but more
    likely because David had earned such respect with sanctioning organizations
    with his work with Ray Mancini than my ring performances.

    "Generally speaking I performed poorly when I was being trained by Teddy as
    his focus on negativity had reduced my overall confidence in myself."

    The heart of the matter as it relates the dispute, as it usually is in
    boxing, is money. Michael Spinks had plans on vacating his strangle-hold on
    the light-heavyweight division, creating a trio of vacancies. Atlas and Wolf
    believed that with the proper maneuvering and the proper training, Lalonde
    could be moved into one of those three vacant belts at 175 pounds. Atlas was
    gone by the time the 'Golden Boy' captured gold in 1987, winning the vacant
    WBC light heavyweight championship against Eddie Davis with a second round
    stoppage. A successful defense of the title followed, and then the
    multi-million dollar payday. With Vince McMahon of WWE wrestling fame
    handling the promotion for the pay-per-view, Donny Lalonde and Sugar Ray
    Leonard would meet not only for Lalonde's light-heavy belt, but also the
    newly created super-middleweight belt at 168 pounds. For Leonard, a chance
    at an unprecedented five championships at five different weight categories.
    For Lalonde, a unique unification opportunity in which he would drop down to
    167 pounds and fight for two belts at once, and get paid six million for
    doing it.

    "When he made six million for Leonard, it tore me up," writes Atlas in the
    HarperCollins published book, "It made me murderous."

    Ten percent of six-mill is certainly a nice payday any day of the week, and
    while Atlas was left without a cent of it, Lalonde does wish he had divvied
    it up a bit different. After the split, Wolf suggested to Lalonde that the
    duo of Tommy Gallagher and Bobby Cassidy might be the best match training
    wise. "They worked together at the time," said Lalonde. "I could always
    punch and after Tommy and Bobby spent about 6 months with me my confidence
    was at an all time high going into the fight against Mustafa Hamsho in N.Y.
    [his home town] at the Garden, in May of the following year. After that I
    won the World title, defended it and the fight with Ray Leonard came about.
    Bobby Cassidy was really most significant in that run of fights as a
    trainer. Tommy Gallagher was part of the team, definitely part of the whole
    in respect to trainers, a much bigger part than Teddy, but I connected most
    with Bobby and his past experience as a pro fighter and his style as a
    trainer was VERY helpful to me. If there was anyone that independently
    earned that $600,000 that Teddy feels he was entitled to it was Bobby who
    didn't get any because he was not available at the time for personal
    reasons.

    "Tommy was very instrumental in making the Leonard fight. He helped Dave in
    a sense of a manger as it relates to that fight, and in retrospect really
    should have been paid by Dave from his managerial end. He trained me for the
    Leonard fight but it was Bobby who really got me there as a trainer.

    "If I could take it all back I would love to have given that $600,000 to ALL
    of these men proportionately because they were all a necessary part of the
    whole."

    It was his relationship with Gallagher that Lalonde believes is the true
    heart of the rift between them. "He knocks Tommy as "some ex cop" as my
    trainer. Tommy did more for me and my career than Teddy would even know
    needed to be done. When Teddy was with me he was a kid. He was trained by
    Cus D'Amato to be a trainer but Tommy was a fighter, NY GG be it, but still
    a real man and a fighter, not some wanna-be that uses his past with one
    fighter as an assistant, that 25 years later is still his claim to fame.
    Tommy and Bobby trained me to a championship and Teddy can't stand it.

    "I think that he is so upset that his favorite fighter, a person I liked
    very much and we had a lot of good times together, Chris Reid, wasn't a
    success in the ring like Teddy thought he would be. It killed him that I was
    a success and he and Chris were not. I cried when I heard about Chris's
    untimely death, he was a wonderful person who, if it wasn't for Teddy, I
    would have most likely remained friends with until his death."

    Lalonde refutes just about everything in the chapter written about him from
    being accused of being a con-man.. "In regards to my being a bleach blond
    and a fake and a con man, other than the blond, he sounds like exactly what
    he accuses me of. Teddy, I was a fighter before and after I was trained by
    you. I did more in a boxing ring than you could even dream of accomplishing.
    For a guy as injured as I was I am very proud of my accomplishments in the
    ring. Teddy Atlas can not take that from me, no one can."

    On Atlas as part of the ESPN crew in Winnipeg for Lalonde's last career
    fight... "In Winnipeg he was very invisible. I guess he was obligated so he
    was there but he didn't talk to me ever. He attempted to minimize my career
    as much as possible and what was actually happening in the ring was never
    really referred to, he did a very minimalist job that day just to get
    through. I regreted agreeing to him participating in the telecaste as I knew
    that no matter what happened he would try to hurt me and he essentially did
    with his comments in a very subtle way. No problem, with one eye I left him
    an opening and he took it."

    On running into Atlas in Las Vegas for Michael Moorer-Evander Holyfield
    championship fight.... I was with my wife at the Moorer-Holyfield fight. I
    saw Teddy and was just happy for him and at the same time you could say
    proud of him for what he had accomplished as a trainer. Remember he was
    about a 30 year old kid when he trained me. I was happy for him. He trained
    the heavyweight champion of the world. Has to be the ultimate goal as a
    trainer? I was happy for him. I had accomplished all I could have dreamed of
    in teh sport and had been retired at that point. I thought and said to me
    wife, "who knows how he will respond but I want to congratulate him". I
    walked up to Teddy and said, Teddy congratulations, I am so happy for you.

    "He turned around like a raging maniac and went into some tirade about not
    wanting to shake my hand. I didn't really hear what he was saying, he didn't
    realize it was me that he was shaking hands with. When he did, he went off.
    I said I am sorry you feel this way in such a high point in your life and
    walked away. I really feel sorry for him. He was always off the wall but I
    still hoped the best for him."

    To fighting stiffs... "The reason I fought some stiffs when I was with him
    is a direct result of what he DID to me as a fighter, look at my career
    before and after and you can see it was much better ANY time I wasn't with
    Teddy. Sorry Teddy but the proof is in the record books. I was the Champion
    of the World!!"

    To fighting a "SHOT" Eddie Davis.. "The SHOT Eddie Davis I fought had won 7
    since narrowly losing to Michael Spinks and lost 1 to Marvin Johnson before
    I fought him and Michael won 6 fights against heavyweights after Eddie beat
    him. According to the record books Edie was 36 years old and prime for a
    victory. For a guy as limited as Teddy suggests I was, I sure got lucky."

    While he admits that Atlas did get under his skin a bit, Lalonde says he is
    very happy with his life right now and wishes his former coach the same. "I
    congratulate Teddy on his success as a trainer, I was very happy for his
    family and I hope he gets the psychiatric help he apparently needs.

    "I sincerely think he is delusional or desperate to sell books or for some
    reason he has this against me and can't get over it. I hope he does one day,
    it must be terrible to feel this way and actually believe the BS he is
    saying which it sounds like he does. "I live on a beach, raise my wonderful
    children, have been married 15 years happily and look back on my career with
    great pride and I enjoy the memories so much."
     
  3. lmartin

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    Wow. Very interesting to say the least. I haven't read Teddy's book and was unaware of the rift between he and LaLonde. I do wonder about Atlas sometime. I always kind of liked LaLonde but I also understand the person you see in the ring and the actual person can be as different as night and day. Anyone read Teddy's book? Would you recommend it?
     
  4. Jazzo

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    Was Atlas ever even a fighter?
     
  5. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I dont like how atlas always acts all tough, bragging how he pulled a gun on a 15 year old mike tyson etc.
    He is one of those guys that gets all angry with you and acts big over nothing, but once you hit them flush on the jaw they immediately turn around and want to be your best friend. Poser
     
  6. BigBone

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    Atlas could be an interesting character if he wasn't bragging about being one.
     
  7. lmartin

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    Where can I find this Atlas interview? I can't seem to find it.
     
  8. gooners!!

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    Dont know, I guess you might be able to find extracts from the book on the net.
     
  9. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it's all out of jelousy. i read about this a while ago. teddy and lalonde split, and lalonde got a big shot against leonard, and teddy got funny because he would of cashed in if he was the trainer. that's teddy for you. he doesn't seem to be a nice guy. surprised he hasn't been flattened yet.
     
  10. MMJoe

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    He also held a gun on Mike Tyson for hitting on his sister. Anger management lessons for Mr. Atlas I think.

    Side note: don't shoot Mike Tyson, it'll just make him angry.
     
  11. el mosquito

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    Atlas still hasn't shown the email about pac using PEds. that guy is a lying scumbag. he probably wants to hurt pac's career seeing how can't stand that roach earns a cool million dollar after every pac fight while he only earns peanuts on his fighters lol
     
  12. elchivito

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    Great read Gooners. I remember when Lalonde got under SRL's skin, pissed him off, and SRL refused to shake his hand. SRL ticked off for being called a bloated WW and Lalonde tried to apologize. Maybe there's more to this story. :pop
     
  13. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you haven't noticed Teddy ain't all there.
     
  14. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Now don't everyone go and act high and mighty just too fast....
    So there's some personal struggles Atlas has. He might even be hypocritical at some time or another. And all of you haven't? All of you hold so tightly to your principles that you've never once been less becoming?

    "surprised he hasn't been flattened yet".... and just imagine how many friends and family memebers feel that way about you.
     
  15. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Compared to you?
    The rest of the people who are in front of cameras for a large porition of their life?

    Are you all there?