With time past, does Hatton's loss to Pac still look as bad as it initially did?

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  1. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With time past, does Hatton's loss to Pac still look as bad as it initially did?
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It wasn't the loss that looked bad, it was the manner.
     
  3. Mr. V.I.P.

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    If Margarito fought like he did against Cotto against Pacquaio would have been a helluva fight.
     
  4. Obscure Punch

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    I think he fought Pac at his prime weight at 140
     
  5. JonOli

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    I mean that too, including the manner of the loss.
     
  6. JonOli

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    That's the thing, at the time he was hugely discredited for being taken out by a smaller guy coming up in weight (ignoring the Oscar fight)

    From what we've seen since, Pac is a monster at the weight and a weight+ above.
     
  7. Curious Orange

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    It still looks as funny as it always did to me - a hype job, backed by largered up football fans who don't know **** all about the game, getting found out, again, when he faced a genuinely world level operator.

    That moment was wonderfully redeeming for me. It showed that class will out in the end.

    It's no shame for Hatton at all. It wasn't then and is no more or less now. His pathetic reaction (being ahead on the cards, ahem) was a bit of a let-down but that will be forgotten about and, in future years, the record will just show that he had two defeats against two of the best fighters who ever entered the ring. At least he stood up there unlike some British fighters currently in the public eye.
     
  8. JonOli

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    Was Oscar de la hoya, Clotty, Cotto and Margarito all 'found out' too, because they all suffered embarrassing totally one sided beat downs and came out a right mess.

    Those guys were not just beat, they were embarrassed, no mistake.
     
  9. TFFP

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    It still looks bad in the sense he got badly sparked and nobody else has been sparked. Beaten up and broken down, yes.

    Also anyone that watches the fight again in 50 years time will be amazed at how ******ed Hatton's thinking was...how reckless he was.
     
  10. JonOli

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    Was it really any worse than Clotty in full survival mode though? That fight was terrible.
     
  11. TFFP

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    At least Clottey respected his opponents ability and took prudent steps to ensure he wasn't decimated. He showed a bit of nous even if it made it dull. I wasn't too critical because being in the ring it will have been apparent to him he couldn't win and when he opened up he got hit with combinations. Thats his ring persona, to be fairly cautious and stout defensively, it was just exaggerated because of Pacquiao's ability and output.

    Ricky obviously went in with the mindset that he was bigger and stronger and would run over Pacquiao which was poor logic and disrespectful really. Ricky was doing things he wouldn't even do against lesser fighters so that is very poor.

    Anyway comparing him to Clottey doesn't mean much, Ricky is supposed to be much more accomplished. Clottey hasn't really won a big, big fight as yet.
     
  12. Curious Orange

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    They were all embarressed, I guess, but in a very different way. Three went the distance, the other was so far past his best that going eight was a success. None were sparked out like they'd just walked into a bullet train.

    The other big difference is that de la Hoya had been there, done it and was at the bottom of the slide, Cotto had been near enough but was also on the way down, Clotty never was and Margarito has a tenuous record to say the least.

    None of them claimed to be competing for the P4P title at the time! And none of them suffered only two defeats, the two times they stepped up to the very, very highest level - which is the point I made (in Hatton's favour).
     
  13. JonOli

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    C'mon that's a silly claim as you have no idea what most these fighters were saying in their native tongues.

    From what i've read, don't know if it's true, Margo hardly covered himself in glory with comments over Roach.

    Anyway, don't forget that all those fighters box in a division above Hatton and Margo a division plus. With the exception of Clotty, they are also probably all ranked well above him too by most.
     
  14. TFFP

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    JonOli, what is your opinion, would you swap Hatton's loss to Pacquiao for

    A) Cotto's
    B) Margarito's
    C) Clottey's
     
  15. Mandanda

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    It was the stupity of him that night that makes it worse. Plus fact is it actually says a lot when other guys hung in there with Pac for a lot longer and took a beating he just got KO'd with ease. I think if he tried to use his brain he could of brought himself into middle rounds and lost with some respectability but because he just went out silly he made it a lot worse then it should of been.