Pac vs PBF 2011 negotiations started!

This is about the ONLY reasonable anti-FMJ speculation I have seen on this damn site and I argue with Jack regularly. This is something we can go back and forth on like adults. (You are on a roll. :good)

I can agree with this to a point, and take in the direction that Mayweather's people tried their hardest with the hope that if the deal was "close enough" they might present it and get Mayweather to bite. For an adviser of a guy as temperamental as FMJ that would seem to be a reasonable course of action. "Is that the best you will do? OK we will see..."

The FACT that Arum and Pac immediately went to the press insinuating that they agreed to 0 days shows that Arum and Pac are manipulating this situation to sell fights and most likely the prime suspects as to why this fight won't come off. They know what it will take to do it, FRDT/OSDT, and they refuse to do it.

If you want to understand any conflict, find out who is benefiting and work your way backwards. Who is benefiting? Arum.

 

It isn't "******ed" to not want a man juiced up on PEDs to bash your head in.

Anyone who says differently has probably never boxed or doesn't have good sense.

If Manny would test we would not even be having this discussion. We would be talking about rematches. :deal

 

atsch

Manny isn't juiced up.


If the Floyd camp never brought it up, you would of never thought Manny was on them.

 

Eze when you say anything except how good fraud looks naked, you're officially a *******.
Dont stop being objective because blind nutthuggers take much longer to see the truth

 

Anyone who doesnt think manny is juiced up on ped's doesnt have good boxing sense.
**** off *****.

 

Not going to happen.

 

Moron nobody said he was. If he isn't? Test.

I think Manny is juiced up. The only way to feel reasonably sure that he isn't is to have the best testing. Asking a man who is allegedly clean to take a widely taken test is fair and reasonable. Which brings us all back to the original question, "Why won't Manny agree to testing? Why?"

Who cares who brought it up? It is a REASONABLE observation and due to health concerns it is a REASONABLE request.

 

Great post moron. I agree. :good

 

Floyd Snr doesn't want Floyd Jr anywhere near Manny.

Listen to the commentry at 7:55

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Surely with 100 million or so on the table, it's gotta happen. But we've been down this road before, so i wont get my hopes up.

 

This is the thing though, because we really don't know.

I think the only stance for a Mayweather fan to really have, considering all the evidence against him personally, is that his team went behind his back and accepted a deal which he instructed them to not accept. Now, if that happened, Mayweather is not to blame, at all.

However, we don't know that. All we know is, the people Mayweather instructed to negotiate for him, with a list of demands direct from him, came to an agreement on every issue with Arum.

For some reason, the fight didn't happen. Surely you can understand people blaming Mayweather though, when there was so many different stories? First they said negotiations went well, then they said they didn't happen. Mayweather enters negotiations and then says he isn't ready to fight, which is strange.

Honestly, I think you're defending Mayweather because we don't know the entire truth. If that's the case, I understand, but your stance should be "let's wait and see" before defending anyone because he really does look bad at the moment.

 

This fight needs a 0 day cutoff. Pacquiao is throwing 1050-1200 punches a fight without any signs of fatigue at all, fight will never come close to being signed without a 0 day cutoff.

 

With no cut-off on drug testing, the fight will happen.

 

In order of scenarios? At best this is what I believe. At worst I think they knew as soon as they saw the 7 day offer and shut down negotiations.

I disagree with you that we "know" this. I also disagree on coming to an agreement. Why would Mayweather who was previously ignorant of the process of FRDT/OSDT go through it, have a great selling fight go back, and increase his sales lead now go back and accept a cut off date from a guy who just came off of the Clottey fight? It makes zero sense.

There was a reason. All of this arguing is actually about speculation. For all we know these guys could have met and planned this whole thing out.

With the known facts about this situation? I don't know how anyone can blame Mayweather or trust Arum/Pac. They were trying to scuttle the fight even before blood testing saying that if Mayweather offered anything other than 50/50, which at the time Pac had NEVER sold enough to warrant and even split, they were walking.

I agree that it is strange, but I think that with his previous adamant stand on "No testing cut off date." forces me to think that there is no way he was "negotiating" and agreeing to 7 days. Your theory with my twist seems much more plausible.

I agree with you. I don't know, but I feel we have been presented with more than enough circumstantial evidence to know which party is the more difficult:

-- Undeserved 50/50 or no fight
-- 5 weeks not long enough, but Mayweather is "scared"
-- Weakened, religious, "scheduled" random, 30 days, 24 days, lying that 14 days not offered, admitting 14 days was offered, but still no fight
-- "I/We agreed to everything!", but busted AGAIN on 24/7 lying

All of this came out of the Pac camp. I think I see a pattern here? This is all stuff that came out in the press, but is strangely ignored. I am "defending" Mayweather based on these set of publicly known facts. Why is it that not one person here addresses this weirdness?