Going up in weight. The Pacquiao Double Standard

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  1. Jaguar

    Jaguar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Throughout history there have been a number of fighters that have defied the odds by going up in weight, taking on larger opposition, and either winning, or being competitive in good showings.

    Pacquiao is most definitely one such fighter, however, the catch-weights and negotiated disadvantages tarnish his own legacy, and blemish the face of boxing.

    When Billy Conn stepped up to take on the Brown Bomber, there was no catch-weight. The smaller guy took on the bigger guy and gave it his all. That was that. Why can't Pacquiao do the same?

    Imagine if David Haye wanted to fight Vitali Klitschko at a catch-weight, fans would riot. They're in the same division now but they weren't always. Vitali is considerably larger than Haye so in Pacquiao standards, a catch-weight shouldn't be out of the question, should it?

    If Adamek pulled that "he big, I little" crap and demanded that the Klits drain themselves, boxing fans everywhere would call him a coward. Why then is Pacquiao excused?

    Nate Campbell tried his hand at Welterweight a few months ago. No catch-weight necessary. He didn't fight at 145, but at 147. If Campbell can fight at the limit, why can't Pacquiao?

    When we look at the history books, Manny looks as if he competed on a fair and even playing field, but we all know that he didn't. In my opinion, Manny's 7th and 8th "championships" deserve an asterisk.

    I know that Manny defended that WBogus belt at the limit so in a lot of minds he cemented his place as a welterweight champion, but why can he defend at the limit, but not win it at the limit? It all boils down to cherry-picking and negotiating disadvantages.
     
  2. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry man , but possibly the most talented boxer I have ever seen , Sugar Ray Leonard had more catch weight fights than Manny.

    If its one rule for one, then it has to apply to all.
     
  3. horst

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    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Pernell Whitaker
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Bernard Hopkins
    Oscar De La Hoya

    No, it's not my top 5 fighters of the past 30 years, it's five ATGs from the past 30 years that have fought for world titles at catchweights.

    If it's good enough for SRL and Sweet Pea, then it's most certainly good enough for Manny Pacquiao or anyone else.
     
  4. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    When ray leonard did it nobody cared, manny does it and gets threads like this, he had 2 catchweights 1 vs cotto 145 witch is 2 pounds, doenst really have a impact. margarito should have been at 154
     
  5. mking

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    Yup catchweights have been around but Manny gets critisized for them.
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a double standard against Manny, that's the ****ing truth.
     
  7. Andy McNab

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    Nice to see the first few posts set the record straight:good
     
  8. ripcity

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    Well put. :good
     
  9. Jaguar

    Jaguar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you all would support an Adamek or Haye vs. Klitschko catch-weight? You would support Nate Campbell at a catch-weight? Why do we have divisions then? We should just have all fights at a negotiated and agreed upon weight.
     
  10. Jaguar

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    If catch-weights are fair and necessary for a smaller fighter like Pac, why didn't he fight Clottey at a catch-weight?
     
  11. DLSC

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    Two catch weight fights tarnishes Pac's legacy and puts a blemish in boxing??? Get real, man.
     
  12. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't think it was needed to beat him....
     
  13. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't give a **** what weight they fight at since they both would have to agreed upon it. I don't see your ***** ass goin on about SRL or any of the other ATGs that have many catchweight fights between them? I do see your ***** ass running around screaming about Manny's two cw fights every 2 days. True or false?
     
  14. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Risk and reward.

    Cotto coming in at 145 , when he was a 140 fighter, so the ask wasnt that great , but clever.

    Clottey always 147 fighter and really a level below , lower risk.
     
  15. mking

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    If it makes for good exciting fights where weight gaps are not reachable why not.