Article: The Tragic Truth of Haye-Harrison

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by bruthead, Nov 16, 2010.


  1. Strike

    Strike Boxing Addict banned

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    Agreed to a degree and I made sure I checked it out on Youtube. I would have watched it in a pub if I was back home, where I am not directly funding or validating it. But sorry this should have been boycotted.
    Yeah we want to see our successful fighters but against someone we knew would just stand there until Haye decided to end it? Nope, don't want to see that enough to justify going back on my principles.

    If you bought a ticket for this **** show, I have no sympathy. I said and would have stood by it, that if someone offered to buy me a ticket I would have turned it down. I would not want to be there and be a part of supporting that sham or be a person who had money spent to buy Haye a nice new hat.

    Years back I remember when Bruno vs Tyson II was the first UK PPV. Lots of boxing fans tried to get a boycott going to stop PPV becoming a part of UK coverage. It failed. Now, if Sky had only sold 1000 PPVs for Bruno-Tyson, PPV might have taken years to be brought into Britain.

    People can make a difference with things they think are a disgrace and if they choose to take the line of "No point, if nobody else will" then they are a part of the problem.

    If the BNP stand in my area, does my vote for any other party carry much weight? No. It is one vote, but if everyone took that line and shrugged their shoulders, then the BNP get in. So I will go and put an X in a box to try and play my role in stopping something abhorrent from happening.

    Before anyone starts, I am not making a direct comparison between a fight and the BNP, it is purely an analogy.

    If you had guests then it is a little different, as your main concern is being a good host to friends and not being a **** to them over an issue they don't understand.
     
  2. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a great article but consider this,

    Audley's dream is to win the HW title, he got his shot.
    Financially Audley just earned more for 3 rounds than he has probably in his last 15 fights. He could have fought a nobody for **** pay, a fraction of the purse and still got his ass handed to him.
    As a voluntary defence it was the biggest cash fight Haye had outside the Klitschkos.
    If Audley's mental health is shot he shouldn't be in the ring period, he knew the fans would chant/boo.

    Basically to blame Haye and Booth for taking the lowest risk AND highest paycheck is ludicrous. If you're going to blame anyone blame the powers that be for not having a top 15-20 limit imposed for voluntary defences.
     
  3. bruthead

    bruthead REAL TALK Full Member

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    Pleased to see a good discussion is going on; I wrote the article and I’d like to come back on a few points.

    In retrospect I think it was a mistake to call Audley "mentally unwell" in the article. That's not to say I have changed my mind as to whether or not Audley is "mentally unwell" but I recognise that it is my opinion, and absolutely not a definite fact. By saying that I opened up the discussion as to whether or not Audley is mentally unwell, which is not the most important discussion. Really that is a debate about semantics.

    Haye said Audley is "mentally weak...delusional...a bit crazy...he’s lost his marbles a little." Is that the same as being "mentally unwell"? No, not exactly. But when the things Haye said are true and they culminate in a terrified man getting punched in the head, I think there is real cause for concern. If Audley was deluded that he was a great pop singer like some of those people on the X Factor it would still be tragic but not as bad as being deluded that you can be heavyweight champion, a delusion that ends in real physical harm. Normally Audley would never have got into the ring with Haye, a world champ, because Audley has never beaten a Top 15 contender. But Haye signed to fight Audley because, and I have just come across this quote:

    “People have paid good money…to see Audley Harrison get destroyed…Tickets went so quickly and that’s because the public want to see this execution.”

    As a boxing writer, Hugh McIlvanney is one of the people I idolise. He was always aware of the moral dimension of our sport, and I aim to do the same. Here’s a quote from ‘McIlvanney on Boxing’:

    “Many people around the world believe that the fight game is so far from being a legitimate sport that it should be disowned by every civilised society.

    “As someone who not only finds the greatest performances in boxing irresistibly thrilling but has been writing about them professionally for more than 20 years, I am bound to challenge that view.

    “However, I have too much respect for the abolitionists’ argument to try to ignore or belittle their central objections. Any supporter of boxing who does not admit to some residual ambivalence about its values, who has not wondered in its crueller moments if it is worth the candle, must be suspect.”

    For me, Haye-Harrison was one of the cruellest things I have ever seen, not just in boxing but in life. Whilst I have taken the position that boxing is morally acceptable that does not mean I then accept anything that happens under the banner of ‘boxing’ to be morally acceptable. I believe there are many intelligent boxing fans, were they to they stop and think, and analyse exactly what David Haye did to Audley Harrison on a human level, who would be morally outraged. That’s why I wrote that article.
     
  4. brucebufershair

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    I feel terrible for millionaire Audley Harrison . I will go into my dead end job and do a ten hour shift feeling really glad i'm not him
     
  5. dvb

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    yeah,lets feel sorry for millionare Audley,who conned most of the public,took thier money,and didnt try to fight. for all his pro career hes been lying and stealing peoples money for putting on poor poor fights.

    he ruined boxing on british tv channel BBC.

    he should have had himself,or people around him tell him hes just not cut out for the pro game and to retire.

    then we could have respected him for being honest and real,and respected him for getting gold.
     
  6. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crikey dude, there are far worse things that go on in the world.
     
  7. brucebufershair

    brucebufershair Active Member Full Member

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    The sad thing is he could have won . If he'd just gone out , accepted he was going to get hit and jumped on Haye from the first bell he could have done it . Even if he lost it couldnt have been any worse for him .
     
  8. stocks

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    I dont agree at all!!! Way before this fight was declared Audley was calling out david haye. Thats before the mental stuff started to happen! It was not haye and audley that sat at the table stating the details of money and the fight it was the promoters. Audley new what he was doing and jumped into the lions den and **** him self! Audley failed on the night nothing to do with his mental state! face facts Haye was to good for audley as a boxer!
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Audley's being let off the hook way too much...he made his own choices, and was the big motivating factor in all this with his constant verbal jabs and challenges and press comments about contracts being all signed even though they weren't. His continual needling, exactly as he planned, basically irritated Haye into going for it.

    Audley saw an opportunity based upon the singular fact that he was Euro champ and Haye was British, and took it. That he failed utterly when he got in that ring is another matter.

    Happily, I'm in the same camp as Strike...I steadfastly refused to pay or watch (or listen on the radio!) to this fight as my own little moral stand against it. I felt it was a farce and didn't waste my time on it. That this fight could be a one-sided massacre was hardly some big secret either.
     
  10. Davro

    Davro u wnt sum i`ll give it ya Full Member

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    for everyone saying this is Audley's fault for taking the fight...calling Haye out etc., the central point of the article is that Audley was delusional.

    Sky took advantage of his former status and public standing as an Olympic champ, promoted the bout, David Haye (despite clearly knowing Audley was not in his league) took him on...Audley was always going to want a final title fight rather than fight another **** heavyweight of his calibre like Matt Skelton, Williams or Sprott.

    To put it another way, was it Danger's fault in Million dollar Baby that he started trashtalking the **** that started whooping him. introduce the concept of money and the millions Hay e picked up off the gullible public for slaying the big mouthed Audley, and it becomes arguably worse.

    However, the point that Danger was a ****** and Harrison isn't is obviously a key point, and as mentioned, the original article needs to clarify to what extent Audley was clinically delusional before making a number of slanderous points about Haye and Booth. Even still, Harrison was incredibly stupid at best and was taken advantage of, no argument there.

    I certainly lost a lot of respect for Haye the day the Harrison fight was announced, and wouldn't be too sorry to see one of the Kiltschkos end his career and mouth like Pac did to Hatton.
     
  11. bratwurzt

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    Interesting to see if we shall be having the same conversation about Wlad's morals when Chisora gets battered.

    Is it a case of the major players in the heavyweight division having no option but to bully the lesser ones?
     
  12. DDA365

    DDA365 Gatecrasher Full Member

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    all the sob stories of broke, punchy, boxers and people are feeling sorry for multimillionaire audley harrison. :lol:

    ok, so it was a bit embarrassing, largely due to his own lack of effort, but i think 99/100 people would jump at the chance to be made a fool of for millions of pounds
     
  13. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd would actually have new found respect for Harrison if he had just come out swinging in the 1st round round and laid his balls on the line.
     
  14. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    :good
     
  15. Big Dunk

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    i think there is allot of evidence to show he is mentally unstable. imaginary sparring sessions that sort of thing. if you saw him at the weigh in, his interview after, it was clear to see him unraveling.

    sometimes DF you need to take your toungue out of hayes ass.