every thing Rocky can do Jack can do better

His outfighting isn't that superb though. His overuse of lateral movement is why he slips so much. He has bad balance when moving around, and has been tagged by fighters like Abraham who honestly are a lot slower than Dempsey in hand and foot speed. Dempsey's not superb at cutting the ring, but he also made guys that made mistakes pay in spades, and Dirrell makes a **** ton, you really think some of the **** he pulls like circling away from ropes with his hands in the air would fly against a fighter like Jack? It doesn't even work against the relatively unproven S6 fighters.

 

He didn't exactly have it easy with a prime Billy Miske either. Basically he never took out a superb boxer in the early rounds. Fulton was decent, but hardly got going as he got taken out with the first punch.

I didn't argue that Dempsey couldn't beat good boxers, but he doesn't have a history of finishing them off in the early stages. In this respect Marciano fares better, with his consistent 15 round assault.

 

Dempsey is much faster of foot and hand. Definitely a much more explosive fighter. Dempsey's style probably translates better in a mythical fantasy fight against the likes of a superheavyweight like Wlad. However, Marciano is much much better suited against someone like Frazier, Holyfield, or Liston.

 

I do see Dempsey's gift of violence.

But I don't see the skill many do. I have tons of tape of the man, and all I see is a physically gifted, as in fast and strong, extremely angry banger, and the earliest incarnation as such. He was the first bridge between the Joe Fraziers, Gerry Cooney's, Mike Tysons etc. of history and the dock working brawlers of the early 1900's.

Innovative, great, gifted, but skillwise, we have evolved VERY far from anything Dempsey has shown on film.

I think he was more physically gifted then the Rock, and threw the left hook with more murderous intentions, but I give Rocky conditioning, chin, right hand power, combination punching and heart. In a fight, I feel Rocky would win easily, and I don't really rate the Rock head to head. Jack faded noticeably once past the first few rounds.

 

Agreed !!!!

 

I find it strange that people even compare them really.

Their strengths and weakneses are verry different.

 

That´s the first time I hear someone calling Joe Gans a dock working brawler.

 

To describe any champion from 1800 onwards as a "dock working brawler" would be a m onstrous insult!

 

I completely misstated that

I meant to say, he was another link in the chain upwards, not its pinnacle. I dealt injustice to several very skilled parties with that statement. It was incorrect.

 

This would be one hell of a PPV!!!

 

Oh, I see...Dempsey faded in the last rounds. Hmm, that is why knocked
out a strong Bill Brennan with a beautiful one-two in the 12thrd, in 1920.
He sure faded'''
That is why he whipped a master defensive boxer Tommy gibbons in 15
rounds in the sun ,in shelby, montana in 1923..He sure faded..
The fact of the matter Dempsey was a fast explosive puncher from the get-go,as his 50 knockouts attests to...But he KNEW how to conserve his energy when required which was rarely...He and the shrewd jack Kearns planned for the fight to go the limit,if necessary...
One more thing---When Marciano was champion, [I saw him before being champ],virtually EVERY boxing writer in 1950s who saw Dempsey and Marciano fight, picked the faster dynamic Dempsey to ko Marciano,both in their primes...i repeat virtually every boxing writer...No slow slugger like Marciano, tough as he was, could withstand the blurring faster punching
Dempsey. None....joe Louis of Max Baer vintage had a shot because of his
fast punching combos.....

 

thats not being fair to Marciano- who I give a good chance to beat any fighter in history, I didnt say favored but a good chance.

 

Marciano also took punches alot better then dempsey.

very rarely did he ever take a combination of punches that set him down usually just one down for a moment then back up like he left something.

 

Why Yaca am i being "unfair" ? I am stating a fact that the boxing writers of Rocky's and my time ,were of the opinion that the Dempsey they saw at his best would have kod Marciano at his best...This is true about their
almost unanimous choice of Dempsey over Marciano...Argue with them,
i am just the messenger...
I saw Marciano destroy Carmine Vingo at MSG..I watched the Rock train
at Grossingers ,NY. I loved Rocky Marciano...But i am stating a fact about
what all the writers who saw Dempsey, and Marciano fight...
Of course Marciano had a chance...Every puncher does..But not against Dempsey, larger reach, who punched in his prime so much faster and a much better two handed puncher...Just as tough, and twice as fast, was
the Manassa Mauler... I'm sorry I seem "unfair " Yaca but "speed kills"...

 

jack dempsey himself claimed marciano was the bigger puncher

Jack Dempsey, interviewed in the 1953 fall edition of Fight magazine said, "What everyone forgets is that Marciano can punch harder with a right hand than any modern-day heavyweight. In his first fight with Walcott, Rocky needed only one blow to win the title. The power in his right scrambled Jersey Joe's brains at Chicago."
"I've scored my share of knockouts along the way, but more often than not my opponents got up after being knocked down and had to be knocked down repeatedly. The same is true of Joe Louis. But Marciano needs only one solid smash and it's all over.
That's why I say Rocky Marciano is the hardest-hitting heavyweight champion I have seen."

thats got to count for something.

I know most of you have read that quote before.