The judges better not pull another Pierre Benoist on Sergio Martinez!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigBone, Nov 19, 2010.


  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When the 119-110 scorecard was announced in favor of Williams after their close first meeting, you didn't have to hear the rest of the cards to know Sergio Martinez is getting the visitor's treatment. If Maravilla scored three additional knockdowns, he still would've lost on Pierre Benoist's scorecard, and it was so bad even HBO employee Jim Lampley had to comment despite it favored the HBO fighter.

    At that point we all thought - or hoped - that the network will finally sit down with promoters and judges and demand fair judging or no TV fights, but in 2010 it just got worse. This year not only the judges kept on with outrageous scores such as Alexander-Kotelnik, but anyone with a pair of sharp eyes could notice that compubox scores became manipulated and the commentary biased (think Dawson-Pascal or Mosley-Mora), and even boxing writers managed to simply skip the controversy that was all over boxing boards (Kotelnik, Soto-Karass, Mora fighting out of the wrong corner).

    That's why, sadly, I have to open this thread, as I'm concerned about the upcoming scores in Atlantic City, the same venue that produced that outrageous scorecard last year. What the networks, judges and promoters need to understand that we don't support somebody because of a good record, but because of putting on a good fight, and that's what Maravilla did, and that payed off when he fought and beat World MW Champion Kelly Pavlik.

    All I'm asking is fair scoring without national/promotional/network bias. We deserve it as much as the fighters.
     
    BigBone, Nov 19, 2010
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  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Who are the judges for this fight, I agree completely by the way that benoist guy was either corrupt or a total idiot, he deserves to be shot in the knee.
     
    cesare-borgia, Nov 19, 2010
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  3. juanitoboxing

    juanitoboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You got to shoot him where he cant score a fight anymore. The hands would do.
     
    juanitoboxing, Nov 19, 2010
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  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    :lol:
    You really are from Amsterdam :good
    But I agree, judges like Benoist only make this sport look bad. I thought they would at least suspend him or something but nothing... totally nothing happend.
     
    Robney, Nov 19, 2010
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  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That only works if he gets a black scorecard before the fight.
     
    BigBone, Nov 19, 2010
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  6. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Maybe he just didn't like homosexuals...
     
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  7. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    If it's close, they should give it to Martinez, so everyone involved can make moar money with a rubber match.
     
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  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You know in most cases the issue is within when someone claims homosexuality looking at a good looking guy. :lol: Wonder if Dr. Shaw Hi could cure this irregularity...
     
    BigBone, Nov 19, 2010
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  9. unloco

    unloco Boxing Addict banned

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    shut up , keep ur homo talk between you and your right hand
     
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  10. BigBone

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    IMO whoever gets the better of the other should walk away with the win. The whole point is to remain unbiased and objective and score the fight as it is, 'payback' or setting up a rubber match by unjustice would be just as bad the Benoist scoring for Goossen/HBO.
     
    BigBone, Nov 20, 2010
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  11. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Chances are better HBO will rig things in Sergio's favor more now that he put the fork in Pavlik.
     
    san rafael, Nov 20, 2010
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  12. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    dont worry Sergio aint gonna leave it to the judges hands. :yep
     
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  13. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    I like both fighters, and what I want for the fight is for it to be a good one and for the decision (if it goes that far) to be fair. I would have been happy for either guy to win the first fight, I personally scored it a draw watching it live and 7-5 to Martinez watching it for a second time. But was fine with Williams getting the nod, 2 of the cards were completely understandable and fair. Obviously the 119-110 card was ridiculous and the judge is either completely inept or corrupt, and either way he shouldn't be allowed to judge again.

    Scoring fights is very subjective and even though I though Martinez won the first time, giving it to Williams, the shocking card aside, didn't bother me at all. As long as the rightful winner, if there is one, gets the nod I'm happy.
     
    Bajingo, Nov 20, 2010
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  14. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    The 119-110 card is unexcusable. They should suspend judges who are way off the mark compared to the other 2. Not sayin all cards should read unanimous, but the powers that be should get a hint of this and should listen to the complaints of the fans. Anyways, I had the first fight Williams winning with more punches landed, even though Sergio did land the cleaner ones. A draw wouldn't of have been bad. I do think Sergio will come in much better prepared than the last time. Get ready for the Spanish Invasion!
     
    elchivito, Nov 20, 2010
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