Nobody with a poor/leaky defense is going to beat Mayweather..................

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  1. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

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    Thing is, Judah, Corley, Mitchell, are not aggressive, volume punchers, they, in degrees, know how to slow the pace down, use their southpaw stance to their advantage when its a Boxing match, which is most probably why, Mayweather fought an aggressive fight against all! of them, he couldn't afford to let them dictate the pace of the fight, he knows the best way to beat a counter punching lefty, is to apply pressure, put your punches together, only he does not need to do that with Manny, simply cause Manny takes away that advantage by being so aggressive, its almost as though Mayweather will be making Manny feel like the orthodox fighter here, like Mayweather is the tin, Manny is the tin opener.

    Although I do agree that Mayweather is more hittable against southpaw's, only mainly when on the attack, or when stationary, as his defense does not always protect him due to being in line with their power hand.
     
  2. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    so your saying him walkign Pacquiao down will be a good strategy? He won't beat him fighting him like he did Judah - throwing 1-2 punches at a time and fighting off the front foot. Pacquiao will overwhelm him and break him down.
     
  3. igotJUIC3

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    damn good points...
     
  4. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Read carefully......nowhere did I say anything about a startegy to fight Pacquiao. All I did was demonstrate that him struggling with Southpaws is a myth. He's so versatile he can fight Pac in numerous different ways.
     
  5. lefthook31

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    Why? He has advantages in height, and holding the distance with his footwork. Potshotting will keep an offensive fighter like Pac off balance, so his gameplan would just be to keep him stranded in no mans land and pot shot him with straight rights and jabs. I would say Mayweather should then open up later in the fight once he has him good and frustrated. Early Pac is going to be dangerous. Its not about walking through punches to land one, because Floyd is not going to combination punch, hes going to land one shot and step off, so hes going to be very hard to reach him..
     
  6. Azumah1

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    One proviso sir. Pac aint Judah!!! Pac is tens times what Judah is as a fighter and a warrior, BUT he aint a patch on him as a technical southpaw. Judah's speed is allied with an awkward sense of positioning and an awful lot of weel disgusied feints of movement behind a far more educated jab than Pac's. In short over the first 4 or 5 rounds a focused Judah is a super quick, technical and unpredictable boxer in his movements.
    Pac is alike an automaton and a robot, a very dangerous one, but one with a set pattern of movements.... he does nothing that deviates from his trained and drilled patterns of attack. Floyd eventually clocked Judah's awkward rhythm.... he'll clock Pac's even quicker!
     
  7. Gander Tasco

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    pacquiao is not as recklessly aggressive as you think. Not nearly as much as he used to be. He stands straight up and boxes, and throws in combinations. He's more of a boxer puncher now, whereas before he was a straight up slugger. Floyd will def have to box and move to beat Pacquiao, but anytime Pac lets his hands go Floyds only response will be to go into a shell. Pacquiao can beat him on workrate alone. Floyd's also not as good as he used to be and his workrate is even lower. Based on the way he's dealt with southpaws in the past, I don't see him doing enough to beat Pac.
     
  8. AnthonyW

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    These are the two best boxers in the sport for a reason...it's not going to be as simple as, 'Potshotting will keep an offensive fighter like Pac off balance, so his gameplan would just be to keep him stranded in no mans land and pot shot him with straight rights and jabs'.

    Pacquiao will have success against Mayweather, he will bring the best out in Mayweather...and Mayweather will have to stand his ground and trade at times during the 12 rounds.
     
  9. GOW7

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    Great post. People don't understand Pacquiao is a broken record routine fighter like Ricky Hatton. Manny does the same routine dance steps and same combinations over and over again . Floyd will easily read him and adjust.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

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    Rock solid analysis. :good

    Don't you think Mayweather has changed up his "feeling out" process?

    Before he used to let the fight flow. It took a good 4 rounds. Now he seems to "press" a little to make the guy show his hand in the first two rounds.
     
  11. turk182

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    pac doesn't have a poor leaky defense. his defense has improved throughout his career. he's better at slipping, parrying and ducking under punches now compared when he was at the lower weights. his counter-punching has vastly improved from his 126 and 130 days.

    pac's defense is now probably slightly higher than average. his defense is now certainly better than cotto, margo, hatton, mab, morales, etc.

    combine his current defense to his offense which is probably the best in boxing, that will certainly be enough to defeat mayweather.
     
  12. elchivito

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    I agree to mostly what gooners said about Floyd not letting a southpaw dictate the pace to outbox him and does seem to fight more aggressive vs other slick fighters. Clearly, Floyd doesn't always use the slick defensive style like most think he does fight aggressive. Another example is like with Mosley. I think Floyd opens up not only with fast, slick southpaws, but with fighters that are as fast or faster than him. He knows he can't rely on defense alone or he'll be a sitting duck. Just like when Mosley hurt him Floyd went with his instincts and started fighting back. That will be the key for Pacman beating Floyd.
     
  13. igotJUIC3

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    you dont watch Floyd fight then.....Pac's workrate will drop big time in this fight....if you want to know ill tell you how and its really not that hard.
     
  14. Gander Tasco

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    It will but not as much as you think. Corley had a high workrate against Floyd and Judah had success anytime he became offensive. All manny has do is keep moving to his right which he has gotten great at, use his feet and throw in flurries. And def concentrate on the body. Floyd will have no response. He'll retreat into a shell anytime Manny unlaods, reset, and look for one right right hand at time. He'll get outworked and broken down.
     
  15. GOW7

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    When's the last fight Floyd was hit over 200 times with someone as slow as Margarito ? Pacquiao is still reckless . He's no SRL or Duran. The man's fights are like playing Fight Night or Rockem Sockem. He gets hit even against fighters who don't punch back a la Clottey.