Nobody with a poor/leaky defense is going to beat Mayweather..................

In his recent fights, he's shown his most vulnerable when he's on the ropes. I mean those moments are few and far in between to begin with, and to compare the Pac that fought Marquez to the one now would make a weak argukment.And I feel he goes to the ropes intentioanlly whether it be him getting bored, to catch his breath or to bait someone to exchange. Against Mayweather, Pac's output will drop, but not because he is getting countered but because Floyd will dance around and box. Does this mean Pac is gonna get frustrated and mindlessly charge and tee off? Absolutely not....thats what Floyd would want. Pac is dynamic enough to where he'll do whatever the situation dictates. Pac's rep as a brawler comes from fighting boxers who indulges him with this style i.e Hatton, Morales, Marg...and he only does it in spurts when the situation arises. Just because Pac dont mind a good scrap doesnt mean he's not adaptable. This is the major fault in most FLoyds fans thinking that Pac will keep coming in doing the same thing being predictable and just gets picked off. Pac is a southpaw with speed and explosive movement, he can throw any punch on the book in varying multipunch combinations. He can punch moving forward, sliding to his right, off a slip and counter, off a pull and counter....he's always freaking moving, I dont care who you are it easier to hit something that is stationary. Everyone talks about Pac's offense is gonna suffer when fighting Floyd without thinking about how Floyd's offense is gonna be affected when he fights Pac. I know what you gonna say, Marg landed 300+ punches on Pac...well like I said, he wanted to brawl so Pac indulged him. Dont expext Floyd to land half that much....and dont expect Floyd to hurt Pac the way Marg did.

 

Your basing this whole post off a specific type of opponent. A slower guy thats not as athletic and with no defense and that exchanges with Manny. Plus your point on being a stationary target more so applies to Manny than Mayweather. Manny has been fighting very hittable guys as of late. Margarito,Clottey,Cotto,Oscar is not a good representation to compare Mayweather with.

 

thats true

 

Funny you mention the jab to the body.... one of Floyds best shots but gets very little attention. Its really an old fashioned amateurs shot that one. Amateurs are drilled and encouraged to use that shot. I love it the way floyd uses it because is a game breaker. Aint gonna kill you but will destabilise you and break your rhythm. and you are right when you highlight things that will break Pacs rhythm as i believe this is where the fight is won or lost.
The reason why Uncle rog and Ellerbee will watch what i felt were victories for Marquez over Pac is that Marquez was ultra effective becuase he ****ed up Manny's rhythm. You are right in highlighting the jab and the ability to counter as the keys to this.
Problem for Manny is a lack of a b plan.... once marquez was finding the key Manny and Roach had no B plan. The B plan, or finding ways to win is the preserve of a special types of boxers like Ray leonard and Marvin!

 

Not sure about this, I don't expect Pacquiao to go all guns blazing after being frustrated...but I do expect Mayweather to frustrate him at times. Pacquiao has shown frustration against Cotto and Clottey recently. Cotto because he wouldn't engage, and Clottey because he wouldn't open up and engage. Pacquiao becoming frustrated is likely if Mayweather comes to frustrate.

 

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Clottey put no effort in to land big against Pacquiao, none whatsoever...Pacquiao did not take a big right hand all night, he took shots, but nothing comparable to say what Mosley took against Mayweather. Mayweather's power at Welterweight is nothing to shout home about, but they are accurate, stinging shots.

His power at the weight has improved since his "retirement".

 

another good point. In fact he's a relatively small welter. He's not much bigger then Manny. Now imagine the way Manny has been knocking around much bigger guys then Floyd, and you see how much of a problem he is.

 

We all know Pac defense is his offense, so how high is his chances, if he can't use what he's good at? Watching the Cotto vs Pac one should take notice, when ever Cotto stayed on his toes and boxed Manny was not so effective. It's when ever Cotto tried to bang with him, that Pac would overwhelm him.

 

Well if we use the Pac from the Marquez fight then it really doesn't do justice to a peak version now. The best fight you can use as an example is the Cotto fight. Im not sure why you think Cotto wouldnt be a good example. Cotto is not slow...Pac made him looked slow but he is not. He wasn't weight-drained either. Compare Pac's weigh-in pic from the Marquez rematch to Cotto's weigh-in with Pac...an you will know what weight-drained is. Against Coto, Pac got hit when he stood up to him in the midlle or let Cotto get his shots in when at the ropes...but I can't recall Pac getting hit from a counter shot, maybe during the later rounds when Pac was just walking him down. And my point about stationary targets is this; PAc is not...that is all. He would be if they straight up brawled..we all know Floyd wont. The point applies to both of them. I concede Pac's output will fall but dont think for a second that Floyd's output wont either.

 

Cotto
jab better than Floyds!!!! very odd assertion in deed. Dont lets get this twisted. Cotto has a decent jab and a real breker of a jab if allowed to dominate. Floyds jab for many years took the backseat as he strted to resort to a countering style at the higher weight limits.
However the early floyd maywether used the jab a lot more and it was sleek fast and deceptive weapon. We suddenly saw it reappear in round 8 i think it was against Hatton, and i was like wow floyd you really got to get back to the jab.
With Floyd senior back in camp the jab has suddenly started to reappear against Marquez and Moseley. and it is a great great jab.... quick, more dominating in impact that when he was younger and very very hard to read and pick in the way he delivers it!

 

^ Marquez was having success for a couple of reasons. #1 Manny didn't know how to control distance at that point and he didn't; understand the importance of feet placement. Marquez was circlign to his left and leading pac into right hands all night. Pac will not fall for that trick again. As you've seen in recent fights, he's leaned to cut the ring off, control idstance and turn his opponent.

he was also having success because he had a good chin and the ability to not only counter punch but throw in flurries. One punch won't get pac's respect, but 3 or 4 will as Morales also proved. Floyd does not throw in combinations.

 

Maybe. Clottey always fights like that. Clottey always does well. The problem is Clottey hit Pac every time he moved his hands. He looks "great" because they are chasing him lunging, he slides out left, then comes back with a straight left. That would never happen against Mayweather.

You are theorizing. Go to a boxing gym. Hop around and see. A fast counter puncher will snipe you mid hop. Hopping around works with the guys Pac picks to smash. I don't believe you because it is a known fact. I am not at all saying Pac isn't effective while doing this. He is. However is it because of how good he is or how bad his opponents are? Holding your lead hand down is a no-no too. Mayweather paid for it against Mosley. So is Mayweather's occasional slow sloppy straight right. I can critique him too.

Pac wins the battle against guys who DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT! You are parroting commentator gibberish. A taller fighter must fight tall. Not one of Pac's opponents fight tall. They are all brawlers and stalkers. Prime prey for a speedy Boxer Puncher. Who had a jab? :huh

Pac looked "great" because ODLH was SHRIVELED up to 145 pounds. Hatton was exposed, was abusing his body, and had a horrible camp with some bum second trying to be the man. They are different fighters and you will see different results based on the style of the fighter. Thing is FMJ fights all styles. Pac fights only come forward brawler/stalkers. Any Boxer Puncher can sizzle against porous defense brawlers.

Pac is a fast Boxer Puncher. He is also matched to showcase this skillset. I bet you this. His next fight WON'T be against a pure boxer.