Nobody with a poor/leaky defense is going to beat Mayweather..................

Yea Mosley was so damaged after that fight! He was bleeding... swollen and just plained ****ed up by Floyd.

oh wait... no he wasn't.. he was barely touched up. Nazim was trying to motivate his fighter because Mosley decided he wasn't in the mood to fight that night and simply bounced up and down in front of Floyd.

 

Hating? You are seriously saying Pac never hop? Pac does not lunge/hop? Sometimes he clean leaves the ground. Any highlight video he hops. Why be PC when it isn't a slight?

He gets down and is brutally effective. That is not in dispute, but the hopping, lunging, bouncing, thrusting, etc... toward the opponent is manna from heaven for a counter puncher/timing based fighter. Even more so for a fast one.

My point is that the bouncing and punching he does that his fans rave about has more to do with the stylistic makeup of his opponent than effective boxing. Mayweather would eat that up. I would think.

 

See now you are just being silly. Mayweather isn't a blood and guts fighter. Mayweather was handing a Mosley a BRUTALLY one sided but kicking. Mosley was getting his clock cleaned. If Bayless wasn't such an involved ref so quick on the break and separating them by a mile each break? That night Mosley would have gotten stopped. Admittedly maybe.

That is it he wasn't trying that night. Shane just realized he was dominated. Pac sure didn't want none.

http://www.youtube.com/user/lefouthanixboxingfun#p/u/3/ZNg1-SzJ85A

 

I agree he lunges but hops?I agree Floyd eats up pressure lunging opponents .See Ricky Hatton.

 

Before you respond you should read the post more thoroughly. Where did I say Pac throws meaningful punches while in the air? The jist of it is Pacs power is derived from his legs and feet when he pushes off of it....hence he's always bouncy and on the balls of his feet. This allows him to be always in position to throw power punches that do mean something. The bouncy thing works not because he's fighting slow brawlers but because it gives the explosive pop on his shots...check any of the JMM kd's. The quality of opponents is besides the point. The point is Pac explodes off his feet and drives punches through his opponents. This is isn't fiction, it's called physics.....and WTH does Clottey landing clean punches on Pac prove?, he won all 12 rounds didn't he?

 

There is a combination of the two. Mostly lunging but hops in there too.

Again, I am not saying he isn't effective. Doubly so against brawlers/stalkers. It is in any highlight video of him you view. I was going to post one, but I am not going to even start that drama.

 

You should read my post again. I covered that. Also, Pac does attempt to throw meaningful punches from the "air".

The jist of boxing is that all boxing is power comes from the floor and amplified through rotation of the core. :roll: Name the fast guy he has faced? So now quality opponents don't matter? You are right, because they are all brawler/stalkers. Any guy whose main weapon is timing? Punishes him. If he has speed too? He is in for a long night because his bouncing is going to amplify the damage he takes.

The fact that he is very hittable by guys with a level of speed that isn't even notable.

 

Pac has been outboxing people in all his 140+ lb fights, they all come forward after him and try to force the exchange he catches them with counters and unleashes on them after they throw punches. He can't outbox Floyd, he couldn't outbox Marquez either, easy fight you heard it here. How did Cotto get dropped and hurt, how did Hatton get KO'd? they were both coming in reckless trying to force the exchange with a man that can't be out brawled or out muscled.

 

Nobody beats mayweather, period! :rofl

 

What exactly are we arguing about here? Are you saying Pac is easy to hit because of his "hopping"? Are you saying Pac's bouncy style makes him easier to time and counter?

One, he is hittable not because of his movement. He is hittable because of his mentality. He's offensive, he loves to fight, he's okay taking risks. It's actually because of his movements, that bouncy in-and-out style that enables him to take these risks effectively. Alotta Mexican fighters fight with a similar mentality, they just dont have the physical talent, i.e huge calves, fast-twitch muscles....which brings me to point 2, you shouldn't compare Pac to other fighters because of that fact, he has unique physical tools. Sure, for all fighters all power starts from the leg up...well Pac has huge ass legs man. then it should follow he has more power and expllosiveness in his legs. It should follow he moves better, it should follow he is less predictable. It should follow Pac just plain punches and moves better than anyone Floyd has ever faced (oh yeah he's a southpaw too) Floyd can't time him Pac the way he times Baldomir. When you say Pac will lunge and get countered you beleaguer the point that Pac has a unique skillset that allows him to close distance, bounce out of range....then bounce back and unload, or simply be in constant motion. hey I dont disagree with the fact that if Pac gets caught coming in the damage gets amplified, but the underlying point IS, Pac's movement will give Floyd problems....not some sort of an advantage like your implying.

 

41 have tried. 0 have succeded.
0 prime HOF fame fighters has he faced. 0 has he beaten.
0 meaning full wins.
0 power
0 chin

40,000 = amount of fans left. 38,500 more than watched Castillo land over 180 power punches on him in his prime.

 

Incidentally, Terry Norris was a terrific "hopper". One of the best of all time.

 

but bald_head, what's your take on Floyd's psychology at this point?

Do you think he stands on principle regarding the drug test? That he is a kind of crusader for cleaning up the sport of boxing vis-a-vis PEDs?

Do you think that "Floyd as a moral crusader" is consistent with other evidence with respect to what we might refer to as Floyd's "character"?

The reason I ask is because it it is evident to you what an extraordinary cakewalk the fight with Pac would be, then why the devil is Floyd so concerned with 6 or 11 or 17 days of drug testing?

Because your analysis presumably applies to a PEDdded up Pacquiao, right?

 

I totally agree:thumbsup

 

Enough of that timing bull****. Like it makes little difference. The question is will it stop Manny. Manny got hit coming in by Cotto's jab plenty of times. I think his timing was excellent. It hit on the same spot at the same time that Floyd would aim for and with more power than Floyd's jab would hit. It didn't slow Manny down. Manny has gotten very good at taking shots and countering. If Cotto's jab wasn't able to slow down Manny Floyd's wont be able to.