Steve Collins says I can see Kenny following me

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  1. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anderson does deserve a rematch I think, with a proper training camp behind him.

    remember he was dominating the fight until Groves got back in to it.
     
  2. box-now

    box-now Active Member Full Member

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  3. hitandhope

    hitandhope Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No point making it sound like he wasn't in training already though, the fight came two weeks too early for him and two weeks too late for Groves. He deserves a rematch, maybe fitness did beat him. I don't think there was anything wrong with the stoppage, Anderson's hands had dropped and Groves was about to brain him. Anderson also had to crouch on the floor after he was led back to his corner, couldn't stand up. Was already ****ed without the hammering about to be dished out.
     
  4. slapbangwhallop

    slapbangwhallop The Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    I think you are proving the Anderson case.

    It was the crunching bodyshots that did Anderson not the shots to the head (which he walked through)

    His resistance to the bodyshots would have been improved significantly if he didnt have have to kill himself to make the weight so quickly.
     
  5. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes
     
  6. mcguirpa

    mcguirpa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tosh. I'm sorry but it is. Sure, I can accept that Anderson wasn't at his tip top peak, which he was scheduled to hit just two weeks later. But two weeks isn't the difference between gassing in the 6th and maintaining a solid pace to the 12th.

    Groves beat him because he's better, simple as.
     
  7. cheekyvid

    cheekyvid Detroit, I shall return. Full Member

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    this "fitness beat him not groves" nonsense is annoying me now. he obviously thought he'd be fit enough to win the fight or he wouldnt have taken it, he had another one lined up anyway.

    if he wasnt fit enought dont take the fight, bad management.
    i know it was a good opportunity but at the same time, too many folk arent giving groves any credit at all
     
  8. box-now

    box-now Active Member Full Member

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    What do you know about bringing a fight two weeks forward and the effect it has on your training?, not a lot I would imagine. And that's not to mention the effect of losing 4 weeks worth of weight in 2 weeks.

    Maybe he shouldn't have taken the fight but it was a chance they took and it very nearly paid off.
     
  9. mcguirpa

    mcguirpa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    **** off you boring *******. You're like a broken record.
     
  10. box-now

    box-now Active Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    So you don't know a thing then?, you could have simply admitted it.:good
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Mcguirpa- your posts on the training forum are pretty good too....

    Of course preperation is the reason why he faltered! If two weeks was all that was required to prepare for a 12 round fight, do you not think that there would be many boxers fighting every couple of weeks.

    Periodising your training so that you can effectively complete 12 rounds is a tough job and while I admit Groves having been at peak fitness for two weeks was probably not ideal for preperartions- i'd rather be fit and taper for two weeks rather then just blast it for 14 days and hope for the best.

    Kenny had the fight won, I could see it from the apron on the night and when I watched it back on TV it was so clear to see. I won't slag george, he's got real heart but I can't tell you how lucky he is to still be unbeaten. I'm not anywhere near as impressed with him as I was initially when he first turned over. He looked a lot better on Sky then up close. His punches lacked spite and he didn't have any where near the variety I expected from him.

    Adam Booth has promised Kenny a rematch 'down the line' so lets see how Kenny rebounds - and hopefully they'll stay true to there words...

    Perhaps the 'down the line' tale was to qwell any talks of an immediate rematch which seem to have been demanded on quite a few forums. Kenny would fight Groves whenever provided the preperation was given i'd imagine. But onwards and upwards Kenny will be back and I think better for the experience where he proved to himself he is at that level or above it.
     
  12. mcguirpa

    mcguirpa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He didn't only have 2 weeks though, he was already well into his training for a fight scheduled 2 weeks later. As i said in my post previously I can accept that he didn't come in bang on his peak, but I can't accept that the final 2 weeks were the difference between him gassing early on and being able to go the distance. Surely his camp would have known this would be a problem and would have planned to try and get him to pace himself better. He did go hell for leather early on, and throw some big, big flurries. Which to my naive mind doesn't suggest he was too worried about his conditioning.

    Billy Nelson and Kev Maree were on here before the fight saying how Kenny was going to KO him, he was looking good, feeling good, he was ready and he was going to do the business. Which to be fair he did, right until Groves bent him double with two cracking bodyshots.

    I like Groves, I like Anderson. I rate them both, not that that's worth much in the scheme of things. But what's really annoying me is that many are giving Groves zero credit for what became a good showing against a dangerous opponent, after a very shakey start.
     
  13. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

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    I thought Kenny was unlucky,although imo fought the wrong fight in round 4 & 5 he had all night to get to grooves again and had a chance to get air into his lungs.If a rematch happens there could be a diffrent result. Saying that Smith and Degale would easily have beat Grooves on that display imo!
     
  14. mcguirpa

    mcguirpa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You've got a catch 22 here though Billy. Kenny was successful as long as he pressured Groves, if he'd tried to take a breather in 4-5 and change what he was doing then Groves would most likely have come back into it. So he had to keep the pressure on, then he gasses and lets Groves back in anyway.

    In your honest opinion could Kenny pressure Groves like he did in the first 3 rounds for 8-10 rounds? I f he can't (and I don't think he can) then he won't beat him IMHO.
     
  15. rooq

    rooq Rooq's Boxing Promoter Full Member

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    its a shame about the stoppage actually. at the time i thought it was good, but after rewatching, anderson was not given a chance to show anything...its entirely possible he could have blocked the next big shot coming from groves and hung on until the end of the round.

    i still think groves would win a rematch though, assuming he can stick to booths gameplan