Suppose for the sake of argument: Pac is taking PEDs

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by conraddobler, Nov 19, 2010.


  1. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    Floyd doesn't want to give props to Pacquiao and admit that he is jealous of him, so instead he spews out a lot of controversial crap and says that he's an easy fight for him, that he's been knocked out, that he's fighting washed up fighters, etc.

    The reality of it is that both Floyd Jr and Floyd Sr absolutely do not believe that what Pacquiao is doing is possible without the aid of PED's. They cannot comprehend how a little man could possibly have improved so much and move up in weight while doing it.

    Floyd's mouth says that Pacquiao is an easy fight. Floyd's actions says that he thinks Pacquiao is on PED's and could potentially devastate him.
     
  2. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    OK, you've taken a stab at a plausible answer to my questions.

    It's not a very good answer, from Floyd's standpoint, however. In your view he's now been dragging out this little bit of psychological warfare for about 2 years, and in so doing jeopardizing what could be the greatest boxing spectacle since who-knows-when.

    All this to get a (dubious) psychological edge and "get under Pac's skin"? Really?

    But moreover, if he can easily outbox Pac (as many people believe) then this psychological edge is unnecessary and the "psychological warfare" is gratuitous and silly.

    In short, although I applaud your effort, I have a hard time believing that Floyd would allow himself to be mocked in the press and allow Manny to be crowned as the greatest fighter of the generation all because Floyd wants a "psychological edge" in a fight that may never happen.
     
  3. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I think that's about right. They are simply incredulous. They believe Pac is inhumanly good. That it is inconceivable an ordinary human being not taking some sort of wonder-drug could be as good as he is.
     
  4. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They do it for a few reasons to have leverage in the negotiation, create controversy (to sell tickets), and to postpone the fight until Pac cleans out the division so that Floyd can try to claim greatness through a short cut.

    Either way it is all BS
     
  5. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If pac is hypothetically taking peds than he's hypothetically a cheaters and all these *******s adoring him like god are glorifying a ped driven cheater.
     
  6. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I can believe that a fighter would create controversy to sell tickets in the short-term. But to do this over a multi-year period spanning the tail end of BOTH fighters' primes? This is hard to imagine.
     
  7. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd couldnt beat manny easy with or without PED's.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Oh, I'd ****ing well return all of my Pacquiao movies and music albums and never go to another of his concerts again!
     
  9. s23041983

    s23041983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because manny on PED's is like Petrol on a fire... if the fire gets the fuel it will grow more fierce and keep burning. If it doesnt then it burns out!! They wanna make sure theres nothing in him that can help him along, keep him throwing combos and bouncing everywhere for 12 rounds!!
     
  10. gyll

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    As a fan I'd kill to see Pac-Floyd. But why is it so damn important for Floyd to make the fight happen? I don't know specifically what goes on in his head but if I'm in his shoes, while I know I can make a lot of money fighting Pac, I also know I don't need him especially when I don't care too much about legacy. It doesn't matter how long Floyd drags the situation out. That's irrelevant. Do you really think he's emotionally hurt about the rapidly growing ridicule against him? In fact, that's how he makes his money. The negative energy eventually turns into monetary goods. It's quite an anomaly. But it works in his favor.

    Floyd knows he can easily outbox Shane Mosley but he still made Shane take the tests, didn't he? Your point becomes moot because Floyd uses psychological games not only as an edge but insurance. You can't say it's not working on Pac because we've seen Manny become frustrated with the allegations. What's the worst that can happen to Floyd as a result of him introducing OSDT? What, he'll lose fans? He never had a huge following in the first place. His success is based on consistently proving his detractors wrong. They'll empty their pockets for every chance to see him lose for the first time.

    Perhaps Mayweather does believe Pac is on steroids. With that said, my guess is Floyd is attempting to expose Pac. If Pac is found guilty then all of a sudden Mayweather quickly moves into the limelight as the sole king of Boxing from both a celebrity and competitive standpoint. It a win-win situation. He can't lose much when the majority of fans hated him even before the rivalry with Pacquiao began.
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Let me give you a simple and non complex answer.

    The more polished better skilled fighter will usually let the crude come foward fighter void his energy and shoot his wad.......while this is happening, its not out of the realm of possibility that the crude fighter has taken a few rounds on workrate in the process......

    .....upon which, the crude fighter has shot his wad and emptied......he's then there fully exposed and prime for the taking......


    Now, if the crude fighter is taking PED's, he's primed too shoot wads up the ying yang and never empty......to wish the skill fighter will have it a much difficult task physically trying to keep up with the workrate of the crude fighter.






    I think my missile just broke through your paper defense!!!:deal:deal:bbb:bbb:bbb

    :yep
     
  12. rocky538

    rocky538 Lineal Champion Full Member

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    There's no doubt in my mind he used and still uses PED's. The OSDT that Mayweather is requesting will pick up synthetic HGH and EPO only within 24-48hours of each blood test. If there's a 7 day cutoff off he could take a synthetic HGH and blood dope, both of those will be cleared out of his system before the after fight blood test, you can clear EPO and synthetic HGH out of your system within 48 hours of intake.
     
  13. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Crazy idea but maybe Mayweather believes he can beat him but also believes he's on PEDS. If he takes random drug tests and can't use PEDS he'd be far less effective and Floyd would make him look like an absolute fool in the ring and boast his wins are all based off PEDS. **** he could do that without thinking Manny is on PEDS just to further himself from Manny after a win and keep the thought of Manny's career on PEDS in the back of some peoples minds.... Not that I agree or believe that was his intentions. But always a possibility!!!
     
  14. theflyest

    theflyest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a pretty stupid thread. When you become the man in this sport, it's about getting every single advantage over you opponent possible. If he is taking PEDs, you make him stop.
     
  15. PeteDawg

    PeteDawg Observant Observer Full Member

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    :-(

    Uh know it didn't, deep down the Mayweather's no they can't beat Pac. I believe Sr. when he says he afraid for his son's life. And this fear has infected Floyd Jr.

    Maybe Don King does need to get involved and speak some "ghettoese" to Floyd Jr? Explain to him that 13 fighters have fought Pac since his lost to Morales and none of them got hurt. And when the Don King has him cornered say "And we ALL KNOW you're better than all those guys put together...?

    Can anyone translate this into to Ebonics so we can give to Don King???:nut:rofl