Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Calzaghe - ATG list

Who will be higher at the ATG list, assuming they all will be on it?

 

As it stands:

Jones
Hopkins
Toney
Calzaghe


Depends how you feel about this unbeatable fighters taking steroids to win really coz it could well be:

Hopkins
Calzaghe
Jones
Toney

 

Jones

 

Calzaghe will be bottom of those is most lists, as the lists are hugely biased towards American fighters over Europeans. That cannot be disputed really.

In reality Toney should be way below the other three.

Personally I have it - (in terms of there greatness from an unbiased point of view)

1. Jones (his dominance, big wins, HW title put him way out ahead in terms of greatnes)
2. Calzaghe (the best fighter here, but underachived, dominant, long reigning champion like Hopkins, without the defeats)
3. Hopkins (long reigning champion, fairly dominant, loses to all the best opponents he faced keep him down, evergreen and LHW champion too, what a victory over Tarver is really worth now though...)



4. Toney (I don't give a **** if he's 'old school' quite frankly.)

 

As it stands I would imagine it's

1 Jones

2 Hopkins

3 Calzaghe

4 Toney

 

1- Roy Jones
2- Bernard Hopkins
3- James Toney
4- Joe Calzaghe

 

1. Roy Jones, Jr.
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. James Toney
4. Joe Calzaghe

 

1)Jones


2)Hopkins
3)Calzaghe

4)Toney


Frankly, Toney would probably be looked at more highly if he either retired after Middleweight or stuck at Cruiser. As good as he's been, I don't think his career lived up to what it could have.

If Calzaghe beats Kessler and wins another tough fight before retiring, I'd probably put him above Hopkins at #2. He's got a little more to accomplish before I put him above Hopkins, who basically took the same approach- beating alot of comp that wasnt that good to rack up defenses. Not giving up a measly 10% to pursue a Roy Jones rematch hurts him.

Roy Jones is clearly the best of the 4 from a P4P and ATG standpoint. He might not have the longevity of Hopkins, but he was greater at his peak than anyone on this list.

 

There is not one fighter Hopkins beat that Joe couldn't have done the same too and I don't believe Calzaghe-Taylor would be close enough for Joe to be robbed. Defeating Kessler would cement my view, losing to Kessler means he drops to 3rd.

 

:deal The man's got a point

 

Hopkins stepped it up a few times and lost. By my criteria that is damaging and Joe is higher.

By your criteria Joe loses out as he has beaten less title holders and has never had the chance to face an real elite fighter. You rank Hopkins higher.

One of us is a non-American and one of us is an American, we won't agree.

 

Being a Calzaghe fan is like being a Christian, you need to have faith.

Though Calzaghe seems more legitimate than Jesus.

 

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

 

1. Roy Jones, Jr.
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. James Toney

 

1. Jones- maybe one of the best H2H middleweights of all time, he has already beat 3 ATG greats in Tito, Hopkins, and Toney. He has also one titles in 4 divsisions.

2. Hopkins- long reigning Middleweight champ, and was undefeated from 93-05. He has won belts at Middleweight and Lightweight, and still continues to be dominant, now into his 40s.

3. Toney- An amazing boxer, was champ in 3 weight classes and was a competitve and tough Heavyweight as well, winning a title against John Ruiz in 05, but had the title taking away because of positive steroid test.

4. Calzaghe- Undefeated long reigning Supermiddleweight, his resume might not be in the same league as the other 3, but his talent is.