Hopkins = Martinez is a bum

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopkins would have gladly fought Williams and Martinez as they are former WWs and small MWs who were both weighing in closer to the LMW division where they would both be more suited
     
  2. Beau Geste

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    Hopkins = most overrated MW champ.

    Should not even be considered at Top 10 ATG middle.
     
  3. Nay_Sayer

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    Please name 10 middleweights who should be considered ahead of Hopkins.
     
  4. Beau Geste

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    1) Monzon
    2) Robinson
    3) Hagler
    4) Greb
    5) Cerdan
    6) Ketchel
    7) Walker
    8) Tiger
    9) Giardello
    10) LaMotta

    and I could add several more. Name a middleweight Hopkins fought that even comes close to the ability of the fighters on the list.
     
  5. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr

    Hopkins has accomplished more than all those MW's
     
  6. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Martinez is a smaller version of JC , good southpaw with fast hands.

    All wrong for B Hop.
     
  7. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    for a 44 year old BHop?
     
  8. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Martinez would win a decision over the 45 year old Hopkins now.
     
  9. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    Stop hating ***. Martinez in all reality is a pretty small middleweight. But to be honest, I'm not sure how easily Bernard would deal with Martinez. He couldn't deal with Jermain Taylor at 160 for crying out loud. Don't act like Hops schools Martinez. I'd favor him though.
     
  10. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jermain Taylor fought a 40 year old BHop, then BHop moved up 2 weight classes afterwards to a more comfortable weight.

    The younger Hopkins would knock Martinez and Williams out.
     
  11. TommyV

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    Of course they are all great middleweights, but Hopkins is aswell. His H2H ability and dominance & longevity is key. He's top 5 along with Robinson, Greb, Hagler and Monzon.
     
  12. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL...Yeah he got beat by Roy Jones JR if that counts for anything. Oh wait...You mean the time he beat the old shot ass version of Roy Jones JR? Didn't Glen Johnson, and Antonio Tarver (ATG ;) )beat him first?
    Your an idiot. Hopkins is/ was a great fighter, and I give the man his due for fighting this long, and staying in good shape. He's truly dedicated, and exceptional.
    He DOES NOT have the greatest of wins though to be called top 10 MW! He beats people like a small DLH, a small Trinidad, etc. He loses against JT, and Calzaghe ***** slapped him for 12 rounds.
    Martinez is a small MW though, and in his prime BHop would beat him. Now though, of course no way.
     
  13. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Time will treat Hopkins better especially after a few years of retirement. It sucks because you have guys criticizing him yet they don't even know that he used to be entertaining, idiots:patsch(same with Mayweather as he used to be much more offensive). I actually have Hopkins at top 5 too. Yes he fought in a weaker era but like you said, you can't ignore his dominance & H2H ability. IMO, Hagler is the greatest MW of all time and was the most skillful and I'm not just saying this because he's my fav MW.
     
  14. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Monzon, I'll give you. Hopkins beats Hagler, who couldn't convincingly dispose of welterweights and lost to one after that WW came out of a 3 year retirement. Marvin is the poster boy for overrated.
     
  15. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy
    Monzon
    Hopkins

    Top 3, baby.