Suppose for the sake of argument: Pac is taking PEDs

I'm not gonna say Floyd is afraid because I don't know what he's feeling, but I will say Floyd does have a lot more to loose then Pac last 13 opponents. Not to mention the beef he has with Arum which plays a big part in the negotiations. The winner of this fight has bragging rights for the next 100 years....lol. It's all or nothing. Manny knows this to, which is the reason why his demand for 10mill each pound Floyd is over weight was requested. Keep in mind out of all those 13 fighters he's fought, he's never requested such a thing. Floyd agreed to this outrageous demand, before he requested his demand for the blood test. So what is the big deal about taking the blood work? To demands were made, but only one was accepted. If Pac really wants this fight all he has to do is accept the test.

 

Excellent post! :deal

 

Rocky538 has made alot of sense throughout this whole thread......
....he's right when he says that all of these commisions have a lists of banned substances but dont actually test for all of them.



As for Pacquiao's initial refusal to accept random testing, wanting a wide 24 day window.......I think its obvious that there were certain ways in which Pacquiao went about drugging himself up and they needed that wide window to continue to do so......

There were all kinds of excuses on why Pacquiao needed such a wide window, the most pronounced being that Pacquiao feels weakened when they draw blood from him.

.......now the news is that Pacquiao has come down to a 7 day window?
Is there any doubt here that over the weeks Ariza has been doing his homework, finding out how small a window he can get away with to PED Pacquiao up and have the effects of those PED's take place during the fight?

Before it was "Manny cant do 14 days, he's at the most intense part of his training regimen and having blood drawn during those days would put him out of commision for several days."

........why now has Pacquiao OK'd 7 days?.....at least thats been the latest report.

......and if Pacquiao has OK'd 7 days, why leave any doubt? Why not take it all the way to the day of the fight and full random PED testing????


Rocky538 is correct.....they're getting away with cheating in other sports with much less testing windows, the bigger the window the more chance the cheater gets away with it.

 

I fully addressed the question.

I'll give you an example......Mayweather was outboxing and winning his fight with Ricky Hatton at the point of the KO.......

Hatton in that fight had started out fast and furious, putting alot of pressure on Mayweather.
......Mayweather nullified his bursts by meeting Hatton head on and wrestling Hatton on the inside to difuse Hatton's inside game......

It was'nt a walk in the park for Mayweather in the early rounds of all that wrestling going on......

.......the fight was competitive enough through the first few rounds as Hatton was still fresh but Mayweather was still scoring with the more telling cleaner blows.
It was'nt until Hatton started to fatigue that Mayweather took over and started to dominate.

This is what I mentioned in my initial post. A skilled fighter like Mayweather first diffuses the strenghths of the crude fighter and only then will he put his superior boxing skills on full display, which Hatton got a full dose of.



Now, what would have happened had Hatton been under the full influence of PED's vs Mayweather????

The likely scenario is that Hatton likely does not fatigue, and if he does'nt fatigue, Mayweather was'nt going to find the room to get Hatton off of him so that he could start to find Hatton at the end of his jab and start to dominate him as was the case with Mayweather's KO of Hatton.

A fighter under the influence of PED's certainly is capable of feats that he otherwise would not fathom!
....and thats the bottom line!!!!:deal

 

I think the more valid question to address if pac were taking PEDS is why would he take HGH if he is willing to get tested until the week of the fight. How beneficial is HGH if you load up on it on that last 7 days? So Pac would train for 7 weeks acclimating his body to a certain weight and condition and then load on hgh? Obviously HGH wouldn't be the best PED for him to use. You could argue that maybe EPO would but the fact that urine tests catches EPO makes that a moot point. The point here is if Pac agreed to testing with a 7 day cut-off for blood then it should absolve him from all the dumb unfounded accusations.

And there is this concept of precedence. When Pac says he doesn't want blood drawn out close to fight night there was a precedent for that. He lost a fight the last time it was done. It is a reasonable demand b/c he's had prior experience with it. When Pac demands $10 million weight penalty for Floyd, he does it because Floyd has breached a contract before. Again, not an unreasonable demand. The point is, it is justified to object or demand things if there is a precedent for it. Now Floyd demanding blood tests isnt justified b/c there's no precedent for it....why you say? Because a crackhead excon blabbing out barely intelligble accusations isnt an example of precedence, nor is Pac beating down bigger men. Despite this you still see Pac conceding and compromising trying to get this fight made....whereas the other guy is saying 0 days or no fight. Now who is on the wrong here? Who do you think is to blame for the fight not getting made?

 

Come on man. This is the type of stuff that makes Boxing fans hate Pac and his fans. A greatly conditioned B+ fighter can beat a poorly conditioned A+ fighter if the fight goes past six. Look at James Toney's career.

Regardless of if the guy can be outboxed or not, Pac modifying his physical attributes using PEDs is unacceptable. A crude fighter, which Pac isn't, is a fighter. If your stamina decreases while his stays the same it increases the chances of being caught.

If Pac ISN'T on PEDs? Take the tests and make the fight. The more he ducks it the more it looks like he is using drugs.

 

No. You are over reaching. That is just a general rule.

I am not admitting anything. This is Boxing. Any boxer can jump in a ring and knock out a superior boxer. That is the "chance" aspect of Boxing. Drugs just increase the chances that the superior boxer gets caught. Especially when the average boxer is not governed by the normal decline encountered in a boxing match.

Every single guy you listed had declined so much that the outcome, if Pac is as good as they say, was written well before they stepped in the ring. The issue is the FASHION of the wins. He could not spark out smaller guys that stood in front of him. Let alone crack their faces.

So to your point? Yes. FMJ could easily out box him. The issue is attrition. How many fights have you seen that would have ended completely differently if they were 15 rounds instead of 12? Do enough rounds and a sparring partner could beat Mayweather.

 

That just because PEDs could affect the outcome does NOT mean Mayweather couldn't outbox any version of Pac. However many a Boxer has been winning a fight only to be stopped at the end.

Sure he does. Against the same brawler/stalker he always faces. When there is the slight chance of competitiveness? He drains the hell out of them.

Well conditions does not mean better than PED enhanced conditioned. Pac was throwing 8 punch combinations while moving. How many fighters pull that on the front end of their careers let alone the twilght of it? They don't. Mayweath follows the historical formula for an aging fighter. He wins with experience not by out fighting guys. Pac, who's style is heavily reliant on athletic ability, just seems to keep improving. Go figure.

 

Because HGH has the same benefits as anabolic steroids, it will increase energy levels and testosterone, it is definitely beneficial. Yes urine tests catch some forms EPO but The Nevada State Athletic Commission urine tests do not test specifically, for EPO, HGH and others, HGH can only be caught by blood as well, the NSAC simply has these on their banned list but they don't test for them. Mircera which is a designer EPO and the most popular is undetectable in urine, it can only by caught in blood, cyclist Riccardo Ricco was caught using this EPO 2 years ago.

 

If Pac is taking PED's he would probably get murdered in Philippines. It would be like god is cheating...

There is no doubt in my mind that Pacquaio hasn't taken something illegal.

 

Pac has agreed to be tested in between rounds so really all these testing is BS.