Hopkins = Martinez is a bum

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not to mention Hopkins was 682 yrs old when JC finally found enough sack to take him on.
     
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  2. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins didnt fight him in 2002/2003ish when it could have been made, but Calzaghe didnt say **** he just remained silent like he always did.

    Hopkins made some big boi money later on fighting ODLH a fight later so maybe that was his plans. But if a 682 year old Hopkins did that to a fresher Calzaghe, a younger one would have schooled him. no doubt.
     
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  3. kirk

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    :lol: :good

    I still disagree slightly but to each their own.

    I personally think Hopkins would get credit for the win, but ultimatly, yes, it would be viewed as him beating a smaller guy moving up to face him. I dont think it would have been routine eather, he doesnt fit the Eastman, Allen, Joppy, Hakkar mold (I think Martinez beats all of them) so that alone would have set him apart from his peers in presenting Hopkins with a worthy challenger, and it would have been a good fight while it lasted and I think Hopkins would have recieved credit for beating a good fighter, but a smaller one. Martinez would then be forced to move down to 154 again and he would probably go on to be competetive with who was down there at the time (Mosley, Winky, Hoya, Vargas)

    Just IMO
     
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  4. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your scenario is plausible, but I don't think Sergio beats a prime Joppy and I would favor Eastman as well, he could be VERY dangerous when he was on. How do you think Sergio fares with the JMW's of that era? I don't think I like him in those fights either. Maybe he would get Winky on points if Wright stays in his shell.
     
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  5. ripper13

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    hopkins should retire, and this is a dumb thread
     
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  6. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Over time, revisionists would have us believe that Hopkins beat Taylor convincingly in both fights and was utterly robbed.
    Absolute nonsense. But their agenda to paint Hopkins as invincible means they can't bring themselves to admit both Taylor fights were extremely close, and in no way were they robberies.
     
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  7. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He WAS robbed in the first fight, and clearly so. I think Taylor won the rematch. The main thing about those fights tho, is that Hops was OLD when they took place.
     
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  8. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Did you really say that Martinez wont beat a prime Joppy :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Or a Howard Eastmen ??
     
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  9. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, I said I don't THINK he does. Unlike you, I realize that boxing is unpredictable. And just in case you weren't around at the time, Joppy was a quality fighter and so was Eastman, and nobody coming up in weight is guaranteed to beat either one on any given night.
     
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  10. TommyV

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    Hagler was robbed against Antuafermo in the first fight. I guess you can't learn that stuff looking at Boxrec and merely seeing a draw. The welterweight you name isn't exactly any welterweight, was it?

    It was Sugar Ray Leonard. One of the great welterweights, who then went through the weights and succeeded. A fair few thought Hagler won that fight two, but regardless, it was a close fight in which a guy with more technical skill than Roy Jones and a cast iron chin took shots.

    You think Hagler isn't going to land on Roy? You think Roy will take Hagler's best punches like they were nothing? You think Roy will be able to completely out-speed and out-box a guy with the skill of Hagler?
     
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  11. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have you seen the fight? That was no robbery, son. And that was an SRL coming off a THREE YEAR RETIREMENT. From WELTERWEIGHT. Does that SRL beat Hopkins? Monzon? RJJ? HUH? DOES HE?

    yeah, that's what I thought.

    Yes, Roy would completely outspeed and outbox Hagler. Now go back and have a chat about soccer in the lounge, little punkin.
     
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  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    How the hell anyone score any of the rounds from 7-12 for Taylor in the first fight is beyond me. I thought Hops clearly won those the last time I watched it but I'll rewatch & score it before the year is up. I also tire of people saying nonsense such as Calzaghe gave him a "beating". Calz barely landed on him and Hops made him look bad throughout. Yes hops did take breathers but the man still made him look BAD.

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    Hopkins is around for a reason. He's one of the most skilled fighters around and can give anyone he faces fits.
     
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  13. kingalex

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    He wasn't robbed. He lost 115-113 the first, and 116-112 the rematch. Believe me, a real B-HOP fan is posting.
     
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  14. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The guy that got beat twice by Taylor would beat Martinez? Wrong.
     
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  15. kingalex

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    Please, Sergio is 2-0 against Williams. That's like a few Pavlik fans telling me when he lost to Sergio that Pavlik wins the rematch because Sergio simply won because of the huge bloody mess Pavlik suffered late in the fight.
     
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