Why do people think Haye has no chance vs. Wladimir?

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just want to know what Wladimir has done which makes people so certain he would beat Haye? Who has he beaten that is so much better than Haye? Why are some people so certain his vunerabilities will not surface? How are his or Vitali's last 2-3 opponents any tougher than Haye's? These are just general things some Klit nut huggers say on here. Personaly I think Wlad vs. Haye is more or less 50-50 because there are a lot of questions about Wlad's mental game, I think Haye is fast and powerful enough to hurt him and I can see Wlad crumbling. I would favour Vitali 70-30 because he's proved his worth more than Wlad plus his style and good chin would probly give Haye nightmares. I also think it's funny how people think Hayes scared of them after all the **** he's done to Wlad's face. I bet eveyone on here Haye vs. a Klitschko happens or is at least sighned in the next 12 months. Haye vs. Wlad very close fight, alot of questions their imo.
     
  2. pckt

    pckt Old vet Full Member

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    Is "because he doesn't and we're not all British" a good answer?

    Honestly though, I can't think of a good general strategy for Haye to use. I don't think he has zero percent chance of beating Wlad, but not that far from it. Wlad hasn't been seriously challenged for a while (as in good opponents or good fights), but he's in his prime and is a hell of a lot better than the last time he lost.
     
  3. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haye will gas after a couple of rounds and get systematically broken down by the larger, more powerful fighter who also has better technique and stamina. In order for a fight to be 50/50 the attributes of speed, power, technique, stamina, experience, and heart need to be equally distributed. In this case, they aren't.
     
  4. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    because Wlad is way better and been a champ for many yrs,while Haye so far hasnt beating a decent HW.
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's a few reasons, but mainly because of how dominant Klitschko is. The other reasons would be not understand styles, though that sounds elitist to bring up. There's also the size issue and then there are things like the average posters' dislike for Haye, which means they won't accept him winning in their minds, so they can't imagine it actually happening or how it would happen.
     
  6. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Watch him fight once.

    He keeps his lands low, he hardly jabs, his chin is questionable, he isn't a big heavyweight, he is giving up huge size.
     
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    loughlan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    That sums it up. It's possible for Haye to beat Wlad but it wouldn't be the likely outcome.
     
  8. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wonder if the Haye fight would be big enough to get a Klit back on American tv?
     
  9. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Haye stands a better chance Vs. Wlad than against Vitali, IMO.
     
  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He doesn't need to keep his hands up, much like Martinez. He doesn't need a jab. His chin was shaky at cruiserweight, though he's never been knocked out. Size isn't an issue.

    On the other hand, if Haye attacks Wlad like he attacked Maccarinelli or Harrison, there would only be one outcome.

    Honestly, all I think Haye has to do, is avoid getting stuck on the end of a jab and keep using his movement. If he does that, he'll knock Wlad out early. I'm extremely sure of this and I almost don't like to say it, because I've been a big Wlad fan over the years.
     
  11. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    He does against a Klit.

    Especially Wlad.

    Wlad will absolutely murder Haye and turn his face into a canvas of brutal jabs.
     
  12. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i believe the other way around,the only good thing against Wlad is his chin,but Haye chin isnt the greatest neither.And i dont see him breaking into wlad jab and defense to get to his face.
     
  13. myau1

    myau1 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm no longer a fan of Haye by any stretch of the imagination but I still believe he's got the tools to beat both Klitschko's. Haye's faster than both of them, younger, and I think hit's harder (hard than Vitali anway) then either brother. I have to agree with another poster here though. Haye is capable of knocking them both out but it would have to be the Haye that fought at Cruiserweight not the more recent version of saftey first Haye. I believe both Klitschko's would be vulnerable to constant controlled aggression.

    To bad those fights won't ever happen.
     
  14. krazylegs

    krazylegs Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who has Haye beaten that the Klitschko's wouldn't??. I'm a fan of the Klitschko's but can admit Haye Punches hard and is fast, but not much faster then Chambers or harder puncher then some of their other opponents. And believe if he caught them a couple times he could KO them , like any heavyweight could if they connect. Just it's very hard to hit a Klitschko. Check out the CompuBox stats. Also their ring generalship is very underrated even though both styles are different.

    I think most of Haye's hate comes from broken promises. If he had done what he has without running his mouth and making claims and pulling out of fights he'd be seen differently
     
  15. good

    good 'bad' Full Member

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    well one of the biggest resson is he is scared..if the fight ever gets made..haye will look alot like spinks when he fought tyson..haye will be like a deer in the headlights,,