Why do people think Haye has no chance vs. Wladimir?

You mean like randomly at the mall or something? Wlad and Hayden are eating ice cream cones and David jumps out from behind a stand at the food court and KAPOW...?

 

Haye himself does not believe he can win. Why should anyone else believe he can win?

 

[FONT=&quot]That’s one way to do it. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]He tried to do it already couple of years ago in the restaurant, but unfortunately Vitali spotted him before he could attack and stole his hat.[/FONT]

 

Vitali...always winning the event. I shake my head.

 

It's a remenant from the old days when the Blue Jeanski was in rare supply in Russia.

Now, when Vitali sees a fashion accessory, he must compulsorily steal it. Whether it is hats or sunglasses.

 

Haye has low punch output, a poor defence, average at best chin- but at least he moved about the ring fairly well and has good speed and power when he does throw. What Corrie Sanders did was break Wlad's control early, and based on the few punches Haye throws and improvement in Wlad under Stewart- I don't see how he is going to do that. When Wlad takes control of the fight in the first few rounds it takes a much tougher fighter than Haye to turn things around. He wont weather the storm Wlad will bring, and will probably get stopped.

To those that think Haye can come out like Tyson and throw bombs at Wlad- when has he demonstrated that he can fight like that effectively? And even if he did, it only takes one shot from Wlad to put Haye on the back foot again. Haye's chin still hasn't been tested at heavyweight against anything like the right hands WK will hit him with

 

I agree most things you said apart from the bolded bit. WK doesn't throw right hands against counter punchers with a bit of hand speed and movement.... watch the Iggy fight. This is why i believe Haye has a chance because he does have good reflexes (when he has decent sparring in training camp) and good upper body movement to get around that pawing jab Wlad has a tendency to push out.
To land his punches Haye doesn't have to bum rush Wlad, he has to stay on his toes and pick his moments to get under and outside that jab, to stay clear of the clinch and throw right hands through the middle and get back out again or if he gets Wlad going, jump on him.
Anyone with sense knows Wlad is the favourite for obvious reasons but to say Haye has no chance is ignorant

 

wlad's heart and chin are pure ****. doesn't mean anything if you are big without those attributes
this time wlad wont be able to clinch his way to victory, he'll get KAYOED a la audley
haye is a klitslayer

 

Fair point, but regardless of styles I don't see this fight going the way of Klitschko-Ibragimov. I think Wlad will be out for blood. Also remember Iggy was a southpaw, and kept a very low down stance. He was very difficult to pin down that night. Haye on the other hand has shown he can be backed against the ropes by much lesser fighters than Wlad. I think with Wlad's experience and ring generalship he can box Haye into a corner as soon as he wants to

As for the second part... sure. I just can't see Haye pulling it off. I can't see him outboxing Wlad

 

His heart? He's always jumped back up after getting knocked down, sometimes by brutal shots. He tried to get a rematch with Sanders immediately after getting demolished by him in 2. Got up 3 times to beat Peter. And who has he ducked? No one.

 

He doesn't need to outbox Wlad to beat him... He has to keep Wlad turning and counter the jab... which so far he has made a career out of. Look over Hayes fights at how many times he stops his opponent by countering the jab. Watch the overhand right he plants on Maccaranell in the 2nd round countering the jab and whilst Macaranelli doesn't have Wlads reach, he has quicker hands and Hayes reflexes enabled him to counter so why is it unfeasable against Wlad?

 

u make it sound easy but its hard to keep away from wlad's jab as i'm sure fifty-five boxers can tell you.

if haye doesn't need to keep his hands up why was NIKOLAI VALUEV able to land several (several by his loftly standards) times a round?

haye isn't as quick as people think and hes easy to hit,a bad combination against a klitschko.

 

I think he meant a fighters heart... in the same way Audley will keep getting back up if he can but is reluctant to go after his opponent

 

55 slow on their feet, plodding, no upper body movement, no reflexes and no hand speed opponents... that's the difference.

Valuev didn't land several times a round... check the stats... there were many rounds Valuev didn't land a thing. Actually it would be interesting to see how many punches Haye has actually been hit with in his career. Against Ruiz he missed out on sparring where you get your timing which is essential when your defence relies on reflexes and that is the only fight i remember where he got hit frequently.

 

Funny that the homo Brits say Haye's speed is what will win, but Wlad is much faster than Haye and has WAY more power.