Paul Williams long range Boxing........

I agree with most of what you said in tour opening post. He looked horrible vs Cintron (lost all 4 rounds in my view). He tried to box but just seemed so awkward doing it that it made me wonder if he's ever gonna be able to change his game so radically. He's a swarmer now and to change that to a long-range boxer, you'd need:

1. A good jab. Williams flicks his - sometimes even like a backhand. It has no power and the question is whether he will be able to keep opponents at bay with it. The fighers Manny Steward has trained did alredy have a good jab/potential for a good jab. I wonder if that's the case with Williams.

2. Potential for a good defense. Williams has no guard - at all. Due to him being very tall and lening back he still could be a bit hard to hit but I don't the the time is one his side to develop that.

Not that you cannot make changes - which Wlad, Lewis and Pac has showed us most recently - but in Williams case they seem so big that I wonder if it wouldn't do more harm than good to do it. He's best at mid/short range at that where I feel he should stay. The only time he was succesful at long range was vs Margarito, but Margo was so slow in the start of that fight and when he piled on the pressure, Williams was in trouble.

Let's avoid the usual knee-jerk-reaction after a loss. Don't be decepted by Martinez' KO ratio; he's a good puncher. He messed up Pavlik's face something horribly, knocket out Cintron Bunema and hurt/snapped Williams' head back repeatedly in the first fight. he hit Williams RIGHT on the button and the punches you don't see are the one that hurts you the most, everybody who's boxed knows that. Williams doesn't have a glass jaw - on the contrary, I would say his chin is decent/good. verybody thought Margarito would be done after Mosley but look at how much punishm,ent he was able to receive against Pac. The same could apply to Williams. Not to mention that he doesn' have to face fighters like Sergio all the time.

Williams should just keep doing what he's doing. He's a mentality fighter and without the urge (...) to hunt opponents down and punish them he would lose much of his game. No activity - no drive - no Paul Williams. He even said it himself.

Of course he can make some minor changes and should be a bit more careful in the future when facing punchers and not lean in, especially not when throwing the left. Some footwork too. Focus more on the body - he has a very good right hook both to the body and head actually which he should use more.

But on the whole..? No.

 

We talked about this another post. Some fighters cant fight at range, even if they have the physical advantages. Diego Corrales is another good example of this, as was Riddick Bowe. Bowe was tall and bigger than most of his opponents, but he preferred to mix it up in close and was an excellent infighter.
Williams problem is his offense is sloppy and uncalculated. He can still fight offensively in close, but he has to set his punches up behind a good stiff jab and tighten up his offensive delivery so hes not so wide open. A combination punching guy is always going to be effective, but he did it very sloppy and wide. Jabs and shorter crisper straighter punches and finishing properly would help alot.

 

The **** it look like??:rofl

Just messing with you...I put too much stock into Williams and he got me wearing this ****! I mean he didnt even re-watch the first fight...He walked right into that left hand and boom.

**** you n!gga!:rofl

 

I thought about this too. His straight left, like his jab, isn't that powerful either.

As I mentioned in my prevoius post - this best weapon actually appears to be his right hook. In the Quintana rematch, that was the punch that started Carlos' trouble. This was when Quintana, after a good start similar to their first fight, decided to be a bit too brave. He walked in but on his way in he got caught with a right hook.

And if I'm not mistaken, in fourth round vs Martinez, Martinez was hurt. This was also when Martinez tried to get inside because of his good start the previous three rounds. Once again Williams caught him with a right hook.

So I guess he has some potential for keeping range after all. He, however, lacks other important qualities to make him a really good outside fighter.

 

Williams is 29 years old. If you were going to change him significantly, you would have to start from the ground up, and teach him things he should have learned as a young amatuer. I think he is probably stuck with the "spray and pray" style Peterson taught him.

 

Why do you assume Williams can't fight at range going forward?

 

Have you seen some of his fights? He was outboxed by the robotic frog

 

Williams is just a brawler trapped in the wrong body. His mentality won't allow him to utilise those strengths to the fullest. He could learn with the right training and with a lot of repetition and months spent on purely technique with the right person, but it maybe to late IMO. He's to set in his own ways. Williams is a perfect example of what can go wrong if young fighters are coached by what i call fitness instructors rather then proper boxing teachers. He's never been taught to be aware of distance/leverage and to time shots instinctively. You can see glimses of what he could be in that Margarito fight when he was forced to fight backwards. He just seems a dim fighter with a low boxing IQ, who doesn't understand boxing nuances and forces everything. That's his main problem i think.

 

Seriously, this is nonsense. Height and reach doesn't automatically mean he can now go with Steward and come back in 9 months time still a top P4P fighter but as an out-fighter.

The guy has NO ability to control the range on the outside whatever, ability to properly judge the distance, no jab to even build on, sloppy punching form and poor footwork. This guy will only be an inside fighter.

The thing is not to turn him into a guy that uses his height and reach because he will never learn, he by his own admittance likes to get into brawls and that will continue to happen.

And he's obviously pretty good at it. He often crowds his opponent and takes away their punching range, manages to throw tonnes of punches from all angles. He just needs to improve his defence and preferably some actual form of timing.

 

If anyone doesn't know, Paul boxed for awhile as a kid. It was a hobby for him. He stopped boxing for a long time time and then took it up again. This is why he's lacking so many basics.

 

I never said it would work. Im just saying Steward teaches the style that suits his body type the best.

 

Look what happened in the middle rounds when Pavlik settled down, started jabbing to the chest, throwing a 3-2, and waiting for counter opportunities.

Look at the first 4 rounds of the Cntron fight when Kermit stood his ground in the middle of the ring and refused to chase Martinez.

Williams does not have that type of brains or patience. PDub is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is overwhelm opponents with work rate and stamina. He is a simple pressure fighter with porous defense, poor punch technique, and a low boxing IQ. I do not think that is going to change.