The hate Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor is getting lately is B******T (video added)

After the Hopkins fights, he was never really the same. I watched him fight quite a bit when he was younger, and he did seem on his way to something big.

But Hopkins did something mentally to him, where he never was the same again. He exposed JT as being vulnerable, and he never really fully recovered.

Of course, outside of Glen Johnson, nobody has gotten better after fighing Hopkins...

 

I made it clear that I didn't think that, I can't speak for this cat, but I can say I wouldn't be shocked at all if he beat Martinez. What does Martinez have to show JT that he hasn't seen before? I would take it a step further and say what would Martinez show JT that he hasn't beaten before? Martinez's suspect defense would be tested, and the thing people underestimate about JT is he is a mean SOB in the ring, he isn't going to be bullied and he's not going to be "scared". He has fought the best, he's been on the huge stage, he's went toe to toe with AA in ****ing Germany for God's sake. Offensively he's as good as or better than Williams (other than his output) but his punches are stronger and more explosive and he's seen behind the curtain he knows all the tricks, I'm just telling you he and Martinez at 160 wouldn't be a "gimme" and that is right now after all JT's been through. JT immediately following Hopkins, would beat Martinez, and would beat him relatively easily. IMO.

 

2 questionable decisions over BHOP are the only thing he has to be proud of, which is really sad.

After that, what else was there? A hotly disputed draw? 2 boring decisons over Ouma and Spinks? And then, when he faced people in thier prime and his own size, he loses to ALL OF THEM???

And by Brutal KO at that!!

People make fun of him now, only because there are many who believe he never was the real champ anyway. He certainly had champ level comp for the most part, but he never dazzled anyone, or really gave any awe inspiring performances, the way real champions do.

I don't believe he beat BHOP either time, and I believe it was that opponent in particular that was his undoing.

 

That new midddleweight champion Taylor vs. present day Martinez is a very intriguing match-up, but it would be a pick-em type fight. I just don't think Martinez would walk over any of the last three middleweight champs (although I am a huge fan of his by the way)...beat them in close fights, yes very possible, but still tough fights and maybe a loss or two.

 

See this is where you are wrong, Hopkins didn't do this to JT, JT did this to JT. Obviously from my avatar and handle, I'm from Little Rock and I followed JT from the time he went to the Olympic trials. The change in JT following Hopkins had little to do with Hopkins and everything to do with parting with Pat Burns. Pat Burns had him in shape, Pat Burns demanded that he utilize his jab (which was ****ing awesome at the time), and Pat Burns was someone who gave him legitiamte instruction and coached him in the corner. Some fighters don't need those things, Jermain does, once he left Pat he went downhill, his conditioning faded, he abandaned his jab, he started burning energy trying to be a KO artist, and it left him open on defense. Not having that person in the corner to get him back on track you started seeing some of the confidence issues comeing into play etc. Either way, the change in JT was much more to do with Pat Burns than it was Hopkins.

 

Stronger more explosive punches? OK. But he lacks any killer instinct, and has showed he was not a good finisher (he hasnt KO'ed an opponent since Daniel Edouard in 2005).

Also, as far as suspect defense, JT had that in spades. Hopkins landed every right hand that he threw at JT, and no one found him difficult to hit, not even Spinks!

As far as being bullied, BHOP sure looked like one in the latter stages of thier fights, and even little Ouma pushed him around quite a bit in the latter stages of that fight (although that was mostly due to his lack of stamina).

JT could not deal with movement and was best when people stood right in front of him which Martinez is too smart to do. Even if he did, he has faster hands, and JT doesnt fight tall anyway (kinda like Williams).

That version of JT has moments early, but gets frustrated and probably stopped in the late rounds.

 

Great boxer, to all the posters who give him ****, calling him a hype job and exposed etc.... are the same ones that are helping the wreck boxing. Here we have a good boxer who is willing to face the best and should get respected for it, but is copping **** for losing, these same clowns that give him **** are prob' the same one who buy Floyd vs JMM then complain why he won't get in the ring with the best. why would he if you guys are making him rich?

You guys are the reason why boxers are afraid to get in the ring with the best , as the will become overrated hype jobs etc... if they lose, so they fight bums to pad their record.

End rant

 

YOU may not believe that, but that doesn't change reality, you are basing your position off an alternative reality in which he "lost" two fights that he WON. As I said earlier 5 of the 6 judges had him winning BOTH fights, so essentially 1 guy/girl had him winning the first fight, that's it. If you go round by round he won more rounds in both fights, in the first fight he won the first 6 to 7 rounds...how would Hopkins win that fight? Either way, he beat one of the longest reigning champions of our era and beat him twice, and yeah to me that's pretty ****ing impressive.

 

Hopkins took the Jab from JT (as he does with all of his oppoents) and he never got it back.

To say Hopkins had nothing to do with this is bogus, as everyone knows that his jab went missing during, and after, those fights.

Pat Burn was creaming at him to use it more in both fights. While I dont think he should have gotten rid of him, Hopkins was the 1st man to ever test JT in the ring, and he has not looked the same afterwards.

They thought by changing trainers and getting the HBO commentaters to keep telling us how great he was that this would give him his confidence back.

Dont deny Hopkins his credit. After fighting him, Pavlik, Tarver, Tito, Keith Holmes, etc. never, ever looked the same again.

But JT is the exception. As you say, he must have "done this to himself":roll:

 

Great ****ing post.

 

But the wins are debatable. Judges make mistakes, and like I said, people wanted BHOP out of boxing, because JT was the good old "yessir, no sir" country boy who would NEVER do anything but what he was told.

And getting 2 gifts against Hopkins didnt stop him from getting his ass handed to him when he fought guys his own age and size.

He got 2 gift decisons in fights where he was outlanded and bloodied and a gift draw where the same thing happened. He wont go down in history as anything but a footnote in the middleweight books.

 

He stuttered badly for awhile.

 

Who would you pick now if B-hop and Taylor fought a 3rd time?

 

That would be a death match. BHOP would maul him at 175. It's not really a fair fight, at this point.