Pac's KO of Hatton Vs. Martinez's KO of Williams...???

Pac's KO drove hatton into being a disaster of a human being.....Ask me in 6 months the same question and Ill tell you whos was worse

 

martinez, hatton was just a hype job...

 

that has nothing to do with the ko, it's just about the mentality

 

How do we know he wasn't beforehand? Hatton was a good fighter, but if you told me he was doing the things that have been landing him in tabloids recently before he fought either Pac or Mayweather I wouldn't be shocked.

 

i'm a pacfan through and through but the fact that pacquiao already floored hatton twice before knocking him out into cocaine addiction makes martinez's ko more spectacular.

williams didn't appear in any kind of trouble and then bam. lights out. this maybe the KO of the decade

 

Martinez put his ALL into that punch.

Pacquiao just has a lot of power.

What made both of their punches so effective, however, is the fact that neither Hatton or Williams saw the punch coming which is also attributed to speed.

To me, they are honestly equal, and I hesitate to say that Martinez' punch was just a lucky punch. I hesitate to say this because if you re-watch the first fight, after Williams began to adapt to neutralizing Martinez' right hand that he was landing all night, Martinez began to land that exact same left hand punch in the 10th round on. In MY mind, Martinez-Williams II was just a continuation of Martinez-Williams I from the 10th round on. In their first fight from the 10th round on, you can tell how hard that left hand punch as landing. It was snapping Williams' head back pretty badly.

It was only a matter of time before Williams would walk into the punch with his chin in the air, much the way it was a matter of time before Hatton walked in blindly to Pacquiao's left hand.

Not that I underrate Pacquiao's power...he clearly has power. But let's be honest here. Pacquiao hit David Diaz with everything but the kitchen sink. David Diaz, however, didn't fight aggressively in such a naive way that he opened himself to punches he didn't see coming. He SAW them coming, the problem was, he couldn't react fast enough to get out of the way. His knockout was the accumulation of punches. Cotto also weathered Pacquiao's punches EXCEPT the punches that hit him from odd angles that he didn't see coming.

Another example? Torres vs. Holt II. Holt isn't what I'd call a power puncher. He, however, stunned Torres with a head butt, and followed up with a hook that Torres didn't see coming. This punch that he didn't see coming, knocked him out cold.

Case in point, Pacquiao is definitely more powerful for his size than Martinez is for his size. But quite frankly, both of their devastating knockouts of Hatton & Williams, respectively, came because their opponents naively walked into a punch they didn't see with their chin exposed. And both Pacquiao & Martinez, being fast and intelligent, took advantage of the naive overzealous aggression of their opponents.

 

I vote Pacquiao, but Martinez is not far behind him.

 

And this is a fact because you said so? How do you know that no one up to middleweight gets up from that punch? Have you systematically developed a scientific method for determining this? Did you precisely measure the punch resistance of every boxer up to middleweight, and compare it with velocity and pound PSI that Pacquiao threw?

Stop being silly with your opinion and spewing it as if it were fact.

FACT: Margarito and Cintron are both much harder punchers than Martinez and both hit Williams with such vicious punches.

FACT: Pacquiao hit David Diaz with brutal knockout type shots, but David was never knocked out cold in that manner.

FACT: Both punches that caught Williams & Hatton were FAST hooks to the chin that neither of them saw.

When a boxer is caught with a fast punch that he does not see, the chances are increased of him being knocked down or knocked out in such a fashion.

Read my above post for the example of Holt vs. Torres II.

 

Martinez for me. That was OUT OF NOWHERE. Hatton was verging on that knockout destruction every moment of the Pacquiao fight.