Larry Holmes decisions Cassius Clay.

larry holmes would beat ali in prime out of prime or before prime i

 

Ali was at his best 65-67
and I disagree
a simulation means nothing

 

I think the Ali between 65 and 67 is a bit overrated.

 

So you don't rate him #1 Peak H2H at Heavyweight, then bodhi?

I think Peak Ali ('65 Patterson - '67 Folley) should be favoured against all other Peak Greats.

 

I don´t think there is a clear #1 h2h hw. And I think the 60s Ali is more beatable than the ealry 70s Ali. And yeah, I know I´m very much alone with that. But 60s Ali didn´t show many things that the 70s Ali showed to have.

 

Then Ali proceeded to stop him on cuts and outclass him in the rematch.
Anyone can get a lucky shot in

 

Ali of the 60's was an unbeatable fighter. He did not have to show in the 60's what he showed in the 70's because he was so much more dominant in the 60's.

 

What's your point ?

Ali was very green at that point, yet he still had the composure to recuperate and win the fight.
Then a few years later he went on to stop him AGAIN.

Why don't we talk about Holmes getting floored by guys like Snipes and Shavers?

 

Ali really didn't a top class challenger around from 65-67...when he was trying to get in as many fights as he could before his legal problems hit..

Old and undersized 50's fighters, or B+ sixties fighters.

Ernie Terrell may have been the best of the lot...and Ernie would have lasted less the 6 rounds against prime Foreman or Frazier.

 

I think thats an accurate assessment.

I'd take 66-67 Ali to reverse that outcome without batting an eyelash. I'd put money on it too.