The Facts: Joe Calzaghe vs. Carl Froch

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  1. pinolero1981

    pinolero1981 Active Member Full Member

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    I read a lot of posts comparing the two fighters. Froch's impressive victory against former middleweight king, Arthur Abraham, put him one step closer to Joe Calzaghe's place in the all time greatest list, according to many of his fans. On the contrary, the Calzaghe fanbase belittle the accomplishments of Frosch stating the fact that Calzaghe ruled a division for more than a decade. Well, I did some homework and instead of giving you my honest opinion, I would like to give you the facts:

    At 33 years old...

    Froch
    - has a 27-1 record
    - has won the WBC crown at super middleweight
    - has defended the WBC crown succesfully twice

    Calzaghe
    - had a 40-0 record
    - had won the WBO crown at super middleweight
    - had defended the WBO crown succesfully 17 times

    In their last six fights

    Froch has faced
    - Arthur Abraham, 30 years old w/ 31-1 record
    - Mikkel Kessler, 31 years old w/ 42-2 record
    - Andre Dirrel, 26 years old w/ 18-0 record
    - Jermain Taylor, 31 years old w/ 28-2 record
    - Jean Pascal, 26 years old w/ 21-0 record (American Debut)
    - Albert Rybacki, 38 years old w/ 15-0 record

    Calzaghe faced
    - Roy Jones Jr., 39 years old w/ 52-4 record
    - Bernard Hopkins, 43 years old, w/ 48-4 record
    - Mikkel Kessler, 29 years old w/ 39-0 record
    - Peter Manfredo Jr., 27 years old w/ 26-3 record
    - Sakio Bika, 27 years old w/ 20-1-2 record
    - Jeff Lacy, 29 years old w/ 21-0 record (American Debut)

    Froch is still active and can add to his resume while Calzaghe is inactive.
     
    pinolero1981, Nov 28, 2010
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  2. tipu sultan

    tipu sultan Member Full Member

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    If Hopkins beats Pascal then it would add to Calzaghe's resume
     
    tipu sultan, Nov 28, 2010
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  3. RagamuffinMan

    RagamuffinMan Active Member Full Member

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    Silly question IMO.
     
    RagamuffinMan, Nov 28, 2010
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  4. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And Jermain Taylors resume who was beat by Froch
     
    Kush, Nov 28, 2010
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  5. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    calzaghe is retired not inactive
     
    sosolid4u09, Nov 28, 2010
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  6. leedsnproud

    leedsnproud Member Full Member

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    Exactly,bull**** question...JC is the man at SMW.:patsch
     
    leedsnproud, Nov 28, 2010
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  7. prideofvbeach

    prideofvbeach Top 10 Pound-For-Pound Full Member

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    You forgot saying Calzaghe won the IBF title and earned the Ring title.
     
    prideofvbeach, Nov 28, 2010
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  8. pinolero1981

    pinolero1981 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, but he did that in a later stage of his career...I was comparing the Calzaghe of 33 years old vs. the Froch of 33 years old. Comparing them anytime after that is like comparing apples to oranges.
     
    pinolero1981, Nov 28, 2010
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  9. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    and the WBA and WBC vs Kessler. He also won the ring title at LHW.

    40-0?
    17 defenses?

    I thought these were supposed to be facts?
     
    Vysotsky, Nov 28, 2010
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  10. Drinker

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    Calzaghe won the IBF title at 33 almost 34.
     
    Drinker, Nov 28, 2010
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  11. NoHomeJerome

    NoHomeJerome Boxing Junkie banned

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    Calzaghe-Lacey was in Wales.

    Edit - it was in Manchester.
     
    NoHomeJerome, Nov 28, 2010
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  12. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course Calzaghe. He takes a lot of flak for his resume, much of it deserved, but he still would have to be placed higher on the rankings list. Now, if you ask me who was the bigger risk taker, has the far better resume thru 28 pro fights, and makes and takes all challenges........different story. If Froch were to go on and beat Ward and/or Bute, avenge his loss vs Kessler... that would go a long way toward making up ground on Calzaghe.
     
    des3995, Nov 28, 2010
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  13. jeffjoiner

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    Froch's recent body of work exceeds any three year period of Calslappy's career. Froch has the stones to face the best on an international scale; the one hole in Slappy's legacy.
     
    jeffjoiner, Nov 28, 2010
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  14. Terror

    Terror free smoke Full Member

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    Calz wasted his prime fighting cans.

    Never fought anybody great.

    Neither of them belong anywhere near an all time great list.
    because neither of them are all time greats.
     
    Terror, Nov 28, 2010
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your right Froch can add to his resume, but you also didnt note that at after 33, Calzaghe won the Ring, IBF, WBC & WBA SMW titles and The Ring LHW title.
    Think you missed some of the facts
     
    bailey, Nov 28, 2010
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