The best fighters ever to be beaten for a title?

:dealagreed

and part of zoo was the fact that, when the going got tough and he couldn't dominate (as he did with tackie) or knock out (phillips) an opponent, he didn't have the same skill set. hatton threw him way off and he never let kosta get back on track

that said, i think a few years earlier it would have gone the way of arguello/pryor 1...except this time when the thunderous rights land, hatton would stay down

 

Harry Greb when he lost the title to Tiger Flowers.

Tony Canzoneri when he lost the lightweight title to Barney Ross.
Barney Ross when he lost to McLarnin.

Willie Pep when he lost to Saddler.

Ray Robinson when he lost to Turpin.

 

greb was half blind though and well past prime against tiger

ross is a good one

robinson was always a better welter and past prime after 120+ fights

 

Well, a lot of people thought Greb was robbed so he must have been quite good. And he was whipping everyone else still, including Walker just 7 months earlier.

Yeah, it's true he was half blind and past his best, but he still might have been one of the "best ever to be beaten for his title". That's just how good Harry Greb was.
It's hard to believe, but apparently he was all that.

 

can't argue. i mean, he was half blind for a LOT of his career and it is too easy to dismiss him and say "half blind". he was still better at that phase than 99.9% of middleweights ever

 

Ortiz against Laguna.

Loi against Perkins.

McGowan against Chionoi

Kudo against Kalule...

 

goddammit lora!!! quit making me look up ****

 

Tyrone Everett

 

Terry McGovern should be mentioned.

Riding as high as you could get, when he took the fall.

No significant indications that he was lost mentaly, though he arguably was.

 

Past prime perhaps but Jofre by Harada could be considered. Leonard loss to duran was probably the 1st one to spring to mind but has already been mentioned. Napoles against Backus deserves a mention but if Napoles was at his best at 147 is up for debate

 

Don Curry
Ruben Olivares

 

Saensak Muangsurin
Koichi Wajima
David Kotey

 

That's exactly who I would've said.

 

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Thats pre Manny Lewis . I think the Rahman fight is a better example.