there is much to say about rocky and who would have done what to him but the facts speak for themselves. who could stand up to his punching power? im talking about a guy whos punches were compared to armour peircing bullets. a guy whos every swing is for the k.o. a man built like a ape and tough as nails. a guy who keeps coming no matter what you throw at him for the whole three minutes of each round. a guy who can and did severe body damage with his shots whereever they landed(he break you arms down bursting the blood vessels)Undefeated, always fighting to win never fighting to not get beat(there is a huge difference)a guy who was trained perfectly and in unsurpassable shape at all times. i could go on and on but i believe this either closes the hypothetical matchups or opens a big door to the naysayers.boxing will never see another heavyweight champion like the UNBEATABLE UNDEEFEATED Rocky Marciano.
marciano was good in his era he fought older fighters that were past their primes and his team did a good job in choosing who he should fight,however he and his team new that the crop of fighters that were coming up it was a good time to retire while he still had the unbeaten record as he would of lost against the much faster patterson and would of gotten clobbered against the much stronger liston:think
IF my aunt had balls shed be my uncle. Rocky Marciano = THE GREATEST nuff said. just check the record books for yourself.as far as fighting past it challengers was it his fault that there was no one in his time that could handle this caveman?if patterson couldnt handle listons power or johannsons how could he take the rocks suzy q?as far as liston he was just a big bully(although he could fight) he didnt have the heart of Marciano and was built up bye the mob who controlled him.
No, but a lot of people say the same about Dempsey's day and look at how he gets ranked nowadays. Rocky never fought any good big men over 200, he never fought a legitimately good contender in their physical prime, and he was floored several times by smaller guys. Imagine what someone like Foreman or Liston would do to the rock. Good thing he retired before he was really past it, then people would dismiss his record as much as they do to Louis and Dempsey.
what would foreman or liston do to the rock that hed never been thru before? so he got knocked down BUT had enough heart to get up and keep going. can you say the same about liston(ali was smaller than him) or foreman(ali was smaller than him)its not the size of the dog in the fight ,but the size of the fight in the dog!Heart and Power and Brains made him what he was, the only UNDEFEATED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION IN THE WORLD.
It's not as if we don't have footage of Marciano. We can see his flaws. His output is very exaggerated and he wasn't hard to hit. Yes, he was undefeated, but what great threat was around to truly challenge him?
are you trying to tell me that foreman and liston didnt have flaws? we have footage of them and its not all that thats its made up to be(although i do like to watch lyle vs foreman and when big george beat up frazier)Marciano was a fighting machine finely tuned and always on the hunt.
marciano held his hands way to low and the crouch position had him off balance one uppercut from liston marciano would be seeing stars for a ten count he was able to get away with winning at that time because the core of fighters were either old past their primes or just did not have good records i see old fight footage and watching boxers back then is like watching an abbott and costello film:think
No, everyone has flaws. Except myself. There's just a new train of thought about Marciano that he was some kind of perpetual motion defensive wizard. He threw plenty of wide, sloppy punches and his crouch was his main defense. I believe Joe Louis at his best, with short, crisp punches, would have laid a beatdown on Marciano. I also think Foreman could knock him out with that wrecking ball of an uppercut.
marciano had power but had no boxing skills that is why i belive that a skilled fighter as patterson would outpoint him and a ferocious liston whom is bigger and more powerful would kayo him:think
If Rocky Marciano fought today...his pathetic slump shouldered frame and non existant fighting skills would force him to weight drain to middle weight where naturally larger and more atheltic men like Martinez, P. Williams, and Pavlik would destory him. The guy benefited from the worse era in the history of any sport, he might as well be a pizza chef in any other decade but those god awful 50s. I could be a Heavyweight Champion too if the mob handpicked corpses for me to swing my arms at until they randomly fell down from exhaustion and being old... :deal
well let me ask you this : if for example joe frazier fought marciano's opponents or foreman.. you think the outcome would be different ? don't think so i think those 2 would also won all those fights.. but now the other way around.. what if rocky boxed against let's say foremans opponents how would he have done ??? so just looking at the recordbooks isn't everything
His "team" didn't decide to retire. It was a combination of Marciano not having the lust to train hard, coupled with his worsening back and increased dis-likening of Al Weil who cheated him out of money in the Cockell fight.