Arum Rips Schaefer Over Marquez Demands: 'No Trilogy!'

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  1. mRD

    mRD vagabond Full Member

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    "Why would i sign to fight a guy who's has given me so much disrespect and give him a good payday?"

    Exactly. Marquez running his mouth with Pac avoiding him and that he won both fight doesn't do Marquez any good. A simple ****ing question, why would he ask for a third fight if he honestly believe he won both fights? Marquez should start to accept the fact that Pac is so much big that bullying is not a pretty way to land a fight with him.
     
  2. mRD

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    MArgarito and MArquez belong to different stables. Pac is without a doubt the biggest draw. GBP people should snap back to reality and stop demanding for same amount of purse Marquez got from Mayweather fight
     
  3. kirk

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    No, I know full well the reasons behind why Arum makes the decisions he does. Doesnt make them right, and doesnt mean I wont continue to argue against them or bring up double standards when they are present, no matter what the reasons.

    Pac vs JMM 3 at Dallas stadium does almost twice the numbers that Pac vs Clottey did, no question, which even after GBP getting their cut, would not be as big a loss for Arum as one thinks.

    Also smart one, the other name on Arums list is Berto. Berto draws WORSE then JMM, and has a history of outpricing himself.... do the math on that one.

    And the thing is, I am discussing this with 'boxing fans' :)lol: sure), not boxing promoters.

    So when a 'boxing fan' brings up that Pac shouldnt fight JMM because of JMMs lack of following, or lack of 'credentials', I am going to discuss it on a boxing fans terms, not a promoters.

    Finally, :lol: I will ask you the same question I asked two other people who have failed to answer.

    So who should Pac fight next if not JMM?
     
  4. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Thats the dumbest question in this thread.
     
  5. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The obvious observation is that Arum never intended for Pacquiao to fight Marquez again. That's all.

    At this stage, Marquez could probably draw as much as Mosley and it would be more meaningful, because of their history together.

    The real reasons are that Arum doesn't want to do business with GBP & they don't want to take the chance that Marquez may again give Manny fits in the ring, before finally losing on points or getting KOed.
     
  6. kirk

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    Day by day, the Pac train slowly sounds more and more like the Mayweather bus from a few years ago.

    'No, this opponent has no chance, whats the point'
    'No, this opponent doesnt have a big enough following'



    But 40 year old Mosley who hasnt done jack in two years and couldnt beat Mora? Yaaaa!

    Pathetic.

    Im glad not all Pac fans are like this.
     
  7. jaysuperman27

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    And Marquez should stop downplaying that Manny keeps beating handpicked opponents. Juan should remind him that Manny campaigned at higher weights. Juan should try his hand fighting Cotto, Clottey, and Martgarito and see how will he fair against them. Marquez lagged behind MAB and EM because bad business advices early in his career and towards the end of his career he's still getting the same thing. I heard that , when he was in the Phils, some local business giant were supposed to get him in a commercial, but after he disrespected and made fun of Manny in front of the national television , he lost the deal. So he lost a good payday, a mileage a commercial would bring to Filipino mainstream and a possible 3rd fight with Pacquiao.. He should understand that in the record books Manny has his number so he should concede in order to get a 3rd fight.
     
  8. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    bump that:good
     
  9. mRD

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    The businessman side of me sometimes prevails over the boxing fan side. But then again, being a boxing fan doesn't mean I should get out of touch of reality. The reality is, PAc v. marquez is a thing of the past. both in boxing terms and financial terms. I said my piece about the financial aspect of the fight. With regard to the fight itself, it won't be as competitive as some people might think as long as the fight will not take place below 140. Other than the weight issue, pac is far more a complete fighter now than 3 or 4 years ago.

    I'm still hoping for pac v. mayweather, and if it does happen, I only see 35% pac chances of winning.

    Pac should stay at 147, and outside pac v. mayweather, mosley should be a good one. I believe Mosley's speed and power can give pac real challenge. And there's money in that fight too.
     
  10. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny does not want to figth Marquez for the simple reason that Manny is afraid of losing to Marquez as this would nullify Pac's ATG status claim. No way he fights Marquez unless he is broke.

    If Manny is so confident why not as the fight would do 1.2-4 million ppv
     
  11. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess the business man was speaking because Pac vs Mosley would blow. After the Mosley Mora fight I do not think anybody with a pulse would pay to see him fight.
     
  12. PeteDawg

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    Ok, got it Kirk has delicate sensibilities.... It's stored and categorized. This is what Clottey had over Marquez. He is a legitimate welterweight and had good showing against Cotto. Plus, he was a Top Rank boxer or course it's going to make the fight that much easier to make. Oh, the HORROR...

    On the other hand Marquez has been running around like a little ***** saying that he won the first two fights. Here's a suggestion stop getting knockdown so much. Second, Marquez has been trying to another fight with Pacquiao for a while, but he isn't doing anything to make it compelling, instead of just to crying :| and moaning. He could of tried to make a fight with Alexander or Bradly at 140lb. Did he? NO Now, he's the BEGGAR in the negotiations. His BAD and not my problem.

    As far as Pacquiao's next opponent, I'm not terribly worried who he's going to fight next. HE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE A VACATION ANYTIME SOON OR CLAIM HE DOESN'T HAVE THE "URGE". Pacquiao is going to fight until he's 35. All this HAND WRINGING is just ridiculous and shows how BIG Pacquiao has become in the sport of Boxing. Pacquiao could fight all these people and we'd all be happy. But if you want to know who I want Pacquiao to fight:


    1. Mayweather if he ever gets the urge.
    2. Bradley ( I know he's going to destroy Alexander)
    3. Berto
    4. Marquez (at negotiated catchweight of 143lb, have Pacquiao come in 2 lbs over and pay Marquez $500,000 instead of $600,000)
    5. Mosley
     
  13. mRD

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    manny afraid of losing to MARQUEZ? Where have you been all these years? I tell you it's a different world now son. Pac moved up in weight and dominated the WW div. Pac is a more complete fighter now, learned every boxng tricks, skills and all that, and now uses both hands in power punching, while Marquez, well, still has nothing but his counterpunching.

    Manny will fight Marquez if, and only if:

    1. Marquez learns to accept the fact that PAc is the boxing sweepstakes;
    2. Learns to accept the fact that he's the one begging for a third fight and is in no position to dictate the financial terms of the fight;
    3. Learns to respect pac's achievements;
    4. Stop drinking his urine as it makes people sick
     
  14. mRD

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    "After the Mosley Mora fight I do not think anybody with a pulse would pay to see him fight."

    UTTER FAILURE. The outcome of the fight against Mora doesn't affect Mosley's fanbase. Again boxers' fans and casual boxing fans are the ones bringing in the cash. Boxing bloggers like you can't even afford to buy PPV and thus settles for HBO reruns and ****:tong
     
  15. kirk

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    You think its delicate to think posting a pic like that on a meaningless boxing discussion is ******ed? Youre a fool 'Dawg' :)roll:), and hope you're not over the age of 18 for some of the crap you put out.
    :lol: OK.

    Ya, being a welterweight contender and known almost exclusively for your losses, is much better then being top 4 p4p, number one at your weightclass, and having two razor thin fights against Pac.... great logic there.


    :lol: How can someone even respond to this? ****ing garbage. :patsch


    The only sensible thing youve posted (maybe ever) is that list. But even that list reeks of your weird, low and bizarre obsession with Mayweather. Dear lord.