How does Hopkins beating Pascal improve Calzaghe's resume?

Your logic is like saying for example, pacquiao moves down to 140lbs and fights Bradley, they both put on a stinker of a fight and it goes to the cards, Pacman gets the verdict in a close fight. Pacman retires soon after the bout due to out of the ring obligations, Bradley however goes on to win titles in two more divisions and contribute to a few more superfights. According to your logic Pacquiao would get no credit due to the fight being closely contested. Isnt that kind of logic a little broken?

 

This is the Biggest CROCK OF BULL**** I HAVE EVER HEARD!!! If Hopkins beats Pascal, It by no means does anything to Boost the Legacy of Joe Bitchzaghe!!! In fact, what it will do is speak volumes about the Career, Legacy of Hopkins that he is still willing to face Elite-Level Fighters in their Prime. Hell Even Glen Johnson has a list of talented young fighters on resume and just entered the "Super 6" just so he can face the best. Other fighters from the "Accross the Pond" will always get more respect than Calzaghe for there willingness to face the Best when they were at their Best (Hatton and Clinton Woods). Ask any "Real Boxing Fan" about Joe Calzaghe and you get the same ****ING answer: TALENTED FIGHTER, BUT I WISHED HE HAD FOUGHT SOME OF THE BEST FIGHTERS IN THE WORLD EARLIER IN HIS CAREER."

Maybe if you would take his C**K out of your mouth long enough, maybe you could comprehend this FACT Also. And the Classic defintition of a NUTHUGGER is when you attempt to make another fighters Accomplishments all about your Favorite Fighter.

 

Question: "How does Hopkins beating Pascal improve Calzaghe's resume?"

Answer: "Because a 46 year old has beaten the best LHW in the world and Joe already beat Bearnard."

 

:rofl It doesn't. Just because Mosley destroyed Margarito didn't mean he would of beaten Cotto and he didn't. I think Hopkins clearly won the first half of the fight against Calzaghe and I don't think Calzaghe would of beaten a prime RJ or Toney. Calzaghe never gave Hopkins a rematch because he was afraid of losing. Hopkins beating Pascal doesn't do anything for Joe's resume. Joe has to get off his ass and beat those fighters not let someone else to it for him. A past his prime Eubank, Hopkins, and a Kessler that lost to Ward doesn't make him any better than Froch's resume. Calzaghe should of stuck around abit more he wouldn't of have been undefeated and overhyped as much. He's a great fighter, but way overhyped.

 

If Hopkins defeats Pascal, it shows how sucky the generation after Calzaghe is.

That's all there is to it. Legacy or not, older fighters should generally not be hard for younger fighters to beat. The fact that Calzaghe and Hopkins are of almost equal caliber when they fought (Calzaghe also wasn't in his physical prime anymore, suffering broken hands, weight problems, and was just old for the weight) means an even older Hopkins beating Pascal would just solidify even more how good Calzaghe was THREE YEARS AGO.

It's basically the same reason as to why many think Pavlik is not a threat to Calzaghe anymore, when before Hopkins destroyed him, people thought Calzaghe would lose to the OH kid.

 

i agree with this. it was an ugly win he pulled out just from being the more active fighter but he was hardly great. jermain taylor beat bhop three years before that. maybe we should be talking about taylor being in the hall as well.

 

All this against a past prime 43, forty three, year old Bernard Hopkins
Controversial SD
After this fight Calzaghe doesnt look to establish himself as the best, he looks for a way out. RJJ. - Its quite convenient to forget that Hopkins held a top 5 placing in the P4P ranking and was the ring champ at the weight and that Calzaghe was moving up in weight, had shoddy crippled hands and was fighting in Bhops own country, that for me is proving that your the best at the weight no matter how much ageism you put forth.


The reason Calzaghe had some success against Hopkins, was because of Hopkins age, 43, Hopkins aint at a stage where he can handle 12 round work rate and quick hands. But still Hopkins schooled him with lead rights - Ive always maintained the belief that if Hopkins hadnt have been so negative and awkward Calzaghe would have got a wider decision, his gameplan was to lull Calzaghe into being overly aggresive to take Joe out of his natural rythem. His gameplan worked to a degree but Cal out-thought and out-fought Hopkins when he twigged what Benard was doing.

Calzaghe didnt want the rematch, even after the Roy Jones Jr fight, and in Cardiff, ironically Calzaghe didnt even want it in Cardiff. It would have been a good farewell fight and a goodbye to his loyal hometown supporters, but Calzaghe didnt want it, especially when he saw Hopkins destroy Pavlik - You know full well the fight would have been just as ugly and not an attractive farwell fight, who wants to look bad in their last fight? In the end the signs of decline from Calzaghe were shining brighter than ever.

I gave Hopkins the benefit of the doubt for his **** performance after I saw him school Pavlik.
Calzaghe looked like he gave it his all vs Hopkins, after the RJJ fight. - That is a credit to Hopkins gameplan to take Calzaghe out of rythem, if he fought any other way i believe Calzaghe would have grabbed a wider decision.

At LHW, Calzaghe didnt want to face Dawson, or Pavlik, because they were not 43. They were young and would have dealt with 12 round work rate with quick hands more effectively than Hopkins who was 43 - please, Pavlik was not a viable option after he got destroyed by Bhop and Dawson has gone on and lost to Pascal (ironically Dawson had recently fought two aging fighters in Tarver and Johnson). Neither Dawson or Pavlik are as effective as a 43yr old Bhop and i find it silly that you think otherwise.

Calzaghe was scared of losing that 0. Thats why he looked for a way out to get him out of the mess he got himself into by messing with LHW's - No doubt Calzaghe loved his 0, but why would he risk it against the mighty Dawson or the Dynamic Pavlik.

Bradley vs Pacquiao cannot fit into this equation.

Bradley is young, and undefeated and certainly not 43.

Dont get my words wrong, Calzaghe gets credit for the SD vs Hopkins. But that is it, his legacy stops there - The anology is in the fact that both fighter would go on to achieve more after defeat not in their age or whether thay still have the 0, frankly i think the kind of logic you display above is very objective and broken.

 

Pascal will beat Hopkins by decision anyway.

 

I'm not. Calzaghe has a very questionable resume so his nuthuggers(and I mean nuthuggers not fans) try to improve it any way they can. Calzaghe sealed his legacy after he retired and is the best SMW of all times but needless to say he didn't impress at lhw and picked old men instead of a young fighter like Dawson that he could've beaten. He didn't even beat Hopkins clearly and not at all period imo. I agree with DOM153 for the most part and especially when he said Calzaghe wanted an easier route against old men on his way out instead of against young fighters who weren't diminished and also with realsoulja.

 

Hopkins was the best fighter Calzaghe could have fought at the time they fought each other. He was the best fighter in the either the SMW and LHW division this cannot be disputed. At the time they fought some people didn't give him any credit whatsoever for fighting Hopkins in the US becuase "he is 42". Now, as the years have passed its become apparent that a 42 year old Hopkins is still a Hopkins close to the peak of a his powers at LHW.